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11-22-2019 , 08:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Nutsegger
However, with Party removing the use of most HUDs/software it makes it / should make it more difficult for botters. I think the reality is different though and that Party are not doing enough to detect software use.
It makes it EASIER.

Think of it this way, a bot player is already using illegal software. By banning real players from using software, it doesn't hurt at all someone who is already comfortable breaking the rules.

Only now, real players can't review their games / notice suspicious hud stats etc.

PStars is the only room with security worth a damn AFAIK.
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11-23-2019 , 08:06 AM
Hey FreeQ!
Have you played any of the cheaters, that are being outet at the moment. Do you expect any compensation from Stars? Are you surprised of this **** going on?
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11-23-2019 , 10:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Nutsegger
FREEQONE thanks for the updates. You are an inspiration to someone trying to figure these games out.

How does the Stars spins landscape compare to Party? ... the benefit of RB is leaning me more towards playing on Party but I feel I'm missing something important in that decision.

I guess the games on Stars must be softer?

What about at lower stakes 7s/15s ... is there an obvious skill gap there between rooms?...the 10s/20s Party games feel quite soft to me.

Thanks for the inspiration- I need it
I think the security is still suffering in party and there are rather dubious players.
Rakeback is good, yes, but you have to contest with a lot of regs/bots/semibots.
Stars have perfect security, but game is dying, more and more regs, but for sure more recs per game than in party.
I never play Spins in party and can't compare games.
Especially I don't play Stars 15s for a years and don't know what level there.
To be honest, it's better to look at another game, cashgames, mtt.
But if you choose between party 10/20 and stars 7/15, then stars

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Originally Posted by jeffreyPL1
Hi,

is there any way to filter flush games in PT4?
Not sure is it works or not, but I took it from the pool chat

https://ufile.io/ybtcej46
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11-23-2019 , 10:37 AM
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Originally Posted by baztalkspoker
Hey FreeQOne, I've been lurking on your thread for a while. Fascinating read, have had several questions I wanted to ask, but have't had time to sit down and compose them...

Anyway one question I do have now is I've seen you mentioned Hyperschool a number of times here, is it a good idea to try to get with them or something similar?
HyperSchool is a EV Deal organization.
Same as SteelPhoenix.
I would recommend for all spin and go players to play with EV insurance.

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Originally Posted by env0y85
FreeQone,
1. how many times did you have a +100 Buyin downswing on spin and gos, are they common?
also
2. how do you handle them, you have stoploss per session, how does it work?
3. do you think setting an amount of hands per day for a recreational is a good idea, or is it better to set an amount of games (spin and gos)
1. Meh, depends what you mean. Actual money swings is pretty common +-10k once in a month, especially if we talk about 60s+ games.
With regard to EV, maybe every 15-20k games you hit -100 EV buyins swing.

Actually, the higher the stakes, the deeper swings.

2. I don’t have stop loss, since I stopped watching my results for the month, I don’t look cashier and pt4. It only spoils the mood and kills motivation.
Sometimes you do everything perfectly and end the session at -5,000$ EV.
You start to have doubts and fears. Each next session will be harder emotionally.
Therefore, I would recommend keeping 200 buy-ins in cashier and don't look results for a whole month.
Make full focus on study on the game and the number of grind hours.
Even if you didn’t look, but did your best and did everything perfectly, but ended in a minus EV month, then you will be upset just once.
And not every day for 10 days if you are in a downswing.
Or every 5 mins, I know people who refresh PT4 every ended game. Sick :>

3. No idea. I think "goals" is pretty hard topic for poker players.
You can set goal play 150 games per day, but in reality, you have different emotional moods and you don’t always want to play
And pushing yourself to play isn’t the best idea.
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11-23-2019 , 10:48 AM
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Originally Posted by tAkE.mE.hOmE
Hey FreeQ!
Have you played any of the cheaters, that are being outet at the moment. Do you expect any compensation from Stars? Are you surprised of this **** going on?
I played with a lot of cheaters.
Sometimes I receiving some compensations.
But it’s much more important for me that the cheaters are banned than receiving 500$ of compensation.

Today everything looks pretty clean and PokerStars GI team are great fellows, they do their job perfectly.
I think at the limits of 60+ there are almost no crooks left.
Prolly some guys with GTO charts or queuing, but nothing serious like the bots that were before.
But I'm worried about the limits of 15-30$, I think the bots have a cyclical and make their own history of climb stakes.

In general, I think we will not see any invasions of bots, the discipline itself is dead.
All regulars already know each other and any newcomer will immediately receive a ton of reports.
There is no longer any benefit for bots in this game.
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11-23-2019 , 10:53 AM
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11-25-2019 , 08:52 AM
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Originally Posted by FREEQONE
HyperSchool is a EV Deal organization.
Same as SteelPhoenix.
I would recommend for all spin and go players to play with EV insurance.



1. Meh, depends what you mean. Actual money swings is pretty common +-10k once in a month, especially if we talk about 60s+ games.
With regard to EV, maybe every 15-20k games you hit -100 EV buyins swing.

Actually, the higher the stakes, the deeper swings.

2. I don’t have stop loss, since I stopped watching my results for the month, I don’t look cashier and pt4. It only spoils the mood and kills motivation.
Sometimes you do everything perfectly and end the session at -5,000$ EV.
You start to have doubts and fears. Each next session will be harder emotionally.
Therefore, I would recommend keeping 200 buy-ins in cashier and don't look results for a whole month.
Make full focus on study on the game and the number of grind hours.
Even if you didn’t look, but did your best and did everything perfectly, but ended in a minus EV month, then you will be upset just once.
And not every day for 10 days if you are in a downswing.
Or every 5 mins, I know people who refresh PT4 every ended game. Sick :>

3. No idea. I think "goals" is pretty hard topic for poker players.
You can set goal play 150 games per day, but in reality, you have different emotional moods and you don’t always want to play
And pushing yourself to play isn’t the best idea.
Thanks for answering my questions! respect that, so im a recreational player with a full time 40 hour job, but i like to play spin and gos in my free time,

i played about 10k spins at about 50-60cEV now at 7$ stakes and lower,
next year my plan is to start with 2.5k/4.5k bankroll
i always almost play 1-2 tables just relax and concentrated.
so i made up a plan, could you say if this is legit or need some changes?

So first of all i'm i made up this this bankroll management:
(its not one shot or fail, i could redeposit, but rather not)

Bankroll needed for

3$ = 450$ - 1.050$
7$ 1050$ - 2.250 $
15$ 2250$ - 4.5k $
30$ 4.5k - 9k
60$ 9k - 20k
100$ 20k


So you told me to just put in 200buyins and dont look to HM2 or cashier for 1 month and just play your best and study and grind...But how can you study your mistakes if you dont look at results?
its easy to loose control in spins when you run bad you add more tables thats why i made "goals"

Note: that im not multitabling spins, im just 1-2 tabling so it would be easier to change stakes when i loose/win.

Session Goal 1:

start Session day goal: 500 hands


Step back 1 ladder level when 10 buyins los
step up 1 ladder level when 10 buyins win

Goal 2 : 1000 hands

Step back 1 level ladder when 10 buyins los
step up 1 level ladder when 10 buyins win

Goal 3: 1500 hands

Step back 1 ladder level when 10 buyins los
step up 1 ladder level when 10 buyins win

in the mean time i try to reach a goal of 500 hands per day
(25 hands per spin on average) = about 20 spins,
if i got time left i try to reach goal 2.
if i have time left i try to reach goal 3.

how do you think it would work out when level up after 10 wins, is this doomed to failure because the bankroll management doesnt fit in anymore?
I was told when you run hot, you have to move up and play more, when you run bad, you move down and play less,
so this strategy kinda fits in, but the only problem with it is that you dont pursue bankroll management anymore when you move up...and you can easily destroy your winnings for that day, but you could also have days that you win even more when you run good, and moving down stakes saves you downswings...
any idea, tips?
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11-25-2019 , 09:09 AM
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Originally Posted by FREEQONE
Not sure is it works or not, but I took it from the pool chat

https://ufile.io/ybtcej46
Thx.

Btw. could you stop grinding so I have better tabs?
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11-25-2019 , 11:49 AM
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Originally Posted by jeffreyPL1
Thx.

Btw. could you stop grinding so I have better tabs?
As you said "I can easily crush 100s with 50+ chipEV".

So, be more friendly with weaky regs like me

I think it's not a problem for you to play with me in the same lineup.
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11-25-2019 , 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by env0y85
any idea, tips?
Keep 200-250 buyins rule until you reach 30$ stakes.
When you get there, you will have more experience and understanding of the game to reconsider this point.
To be honest I'm not a fan of plans or setting goal, so I can't give you a good advice in this matter.

I think if a person is interested in poker, he is passionate about it.
It is like you install video game and spend whole day.
I remember when the PUBG game released.
I played it for 12-18 hours a day without interruptions for a month in a row.
No plans needed if you enjoy the game.
The same thing with poker, I play because I like it.
Money was always second to me and primary fun.

It so happened that success in poker is measured by money and how high the stakes are.
Many people confuse concepts and think that money is the main thing.
Of course, I make connections how to make fun and $/hour as optimally as possible for myself.
But plans, goals, pushing to play through force or some external factors, this is not the way.
But this is just my opinion.
Maybe I haven’t been able to get to the top for so long because of the lack of such things as setting goals and a schedule.
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11-25-2019 , 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by FREEQONE
As you said "I can easily crush 100s with 50+ chipEV".

So, be more friendly with weaky regs like me

I think it's not a problem for you to play with me in the same lineup.
Never said that. All I`ve said I had 50+ after coming back (dropped a few chips atm on bigger sample) for some time and I think there are players better than me (more like a hobby for me atm) who can still make 50+ 6tabling.

Weaky reg is still a reg and you spend most of your life in Solvers so still prefer you to leave 100s Gl, betting season is off and think I might finally play 400 games today, was missing such grind
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11-25-2019 , 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted by jeffreyPL1
Never said that. All I`ve said I had 50+ after coming back (dropped a few chips atm on bigger sample) for some time and I think there are players better than me (more like a hobby for me atm) who can still make 50+ 6tabling.

Weaky reg is still a reg and you spend most of your life in Solvers so still prefer you to leave 100s Gl, betting season is off and think I might finally play 400 games today, was missing such grind
Graph, PT4/HEM rep or anything other than words?

Anyone you want to name who you think is getting 50+ chips 6 tabling or just 50+ chips with whatever table count?
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11-25-2019 , 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by DucksQuackAA
Graph, PT4/HEM rep or anything other than words?

Anyone you want to name who you think is getting 50+ chips 6 tabling or just 50+ chips with whatever table count?
A few months ago when we discussed here I saw some graphs in private but can`t share them obv. Games look a bit worse these days tho so might be too optimistic statement atm.
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11-25-2019 , 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by jeffreyPL1
A few months ago when we discussed here I saw some graphs in private but can`t share them obv. Games look a bit worse these days tho so might be too optimistic statement atm.
Yeah but you're also claiming this winrate and that graph would be yours which you can share, care to do that?
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11-25-2019 , 04:54 PM
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Originally Posted by DucksQuackAA
Yeah but you're also claiming this winrate and that graph would be yours which you can share, care to do that?
These are my results @ 100s with current db. Sample is small tho and first games are around March as I don`t play full time anymore, grinding from time to time.

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11-27-2019 , 04:00 PM
yohoo
Razer Orbweaver Chroma keypad is arrived.
Hope this device helps me to grind more and it will be more comfortable.

My preliminary key binds plan didn't work ;D
Fingers too short.
Whatever, added 25-30-50% betsizings key binds, overbet 200%, set ai and set stacked layout.
Sometimes I drag table out of stack to see what happen after my action.
And it is was uncomfortable to move hand to press ctrl+3.
Now macros will do it for a 1 sec.

So far, very satisfied.
The keys are mechanical, nice to press.
Grind is a way to ENJOY.
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11-27-2019 , 04:13 PM
In the Russian community, I am perceived as one of the experts of GTO, but top1 has always been nice2meet885.
Recently I reviewed my hands in InstaGTO and saw this:



I played against him and do some wierd sh7t with <0.05 freq with huge -EV ;D
And he is do the same.
This moment is so absurd and funny.
Two GTOish guys self destroyed.

I have trips, obv check turn is kinda improvisation.
Probably I should always bet, but wanted play more tricky in this day.
And thought it was a great valuebet on the river.
But sometimes we make mistakes.
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11-28-2019 , 08:32 AM
Razer Orbweaver Chroma i purchased this aswell like a week ago now, absolutely love it apart from the tons of misclicks i do atm because i'm not used to hotkeys
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11-28-2019 , 10:28 AM
Hey freeq. what cameras do you use to make your videos. i liked your set up in the 'PokerStars World Record Attempt 20k Spin&Go games in 31 days' video.
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11-28-2019 , 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by HUgrinder2016
Razer Orbweaver Chroma i purchased this aswell like a week ago now, absolutely love it apart from the tons of misclicks i do atm because i'm not used to hotkeys
Update your thread dude.
How 500s is going?

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Originally Posted by butnuhhh
Hey freeq. what cameras do you use to make your videos. i liked your set up in the 'PokerStars World Record Attempt 20k Spin&Go games in 31 days' video.
2 x Logitech C920
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11-29-2019 , 09:42 AM
FREEQ, what all in adj BB/100 you have versus regs @ 100s?
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11-29-2019 , 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by FREEQONE
In the Russian community, I am perceived as one of the experts of GTO, but top1 has always been nice2meet885.
Recently I reviewed my hands in InstaGTO and saw this:



I played against him and do some wierd sh7t with <0.05 freq with huge -EV ;D
And he is do the same.
This moment is so absurd and funny.
Two GTOish guys self destroyed.

I have trips, obv check turn is kinda improvisation.
Probably I should always bet, but wanted play more tricky in this day.
And thought it was a great valuebet on the river.
But sometimes we make mistakes.
For us dummies can you explain what is going on in that hand, is it you lmp sb 7bb dp? Thx. Great thread
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11-29-2019 , 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by jeffreyPL1
FREEQ, what all in adj BB/100 you have versus regs @ 100s?
(hu filter)
Lifetime about +0.25 chips per hand.
In exploit time fall to -0.15/hand
Atm it is boosted since i heavily improved and have +1 chips per hand.

but my overall winrate is still sucks, idk why :<
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11-29-2019 , 07:37 PM
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Originally Posted by FREEQONE
(hu filter)
Lifetime about +0.25 chips per hand.
In exploit time fall to -0.15/hand
Atm it is boosted since i heavily improved and have +1 chips per hand.
You filtered by min no of hands?

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Originally Posted by FREEQONE
but my overall winrate is still sucks, idk why :<
What`s your cpg last few months?
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11-29-2019 , 08:28 PM
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Originally Posted by jeffreyPL1
You filtered by min no of hands?
What`s your cpg last few months?
yup, fast check by min no of hands.
also have alias of all 100s regs, so I can check more precise winrate.

Last 2 months running 30 chipev
prolly it is because bad pick of grind hours.
or maybe I'm still too bad.
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