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10-30-2019 , 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by FREEQONE
pew

gift from variance with love
i hope we are friends now

Enjoy the spoils! B*tches and cocaine my friend

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Originally Posted by FREEQONE
Almost moved to a new apartment.
Problem with connection solved.

Thinking about new challenges.
Last two I failed, but I'm learning on my mistakes.

From new ideas:
1. A new record of 22500-25000 games a month at a stakes 100$+
2. Take a shot with stream to 250-500$ stakes.
3. Some sort of 2-3 month challenge like 44444 for a 2 months. Try to restart dat sh7t.
4. Entertaiment content, like a creating Spin and Go league with $$$ prizepool and rating/ranking and become the main platform for this.

If you have any suggestions, I would be grateful if you share.
2. play $500s. Who are you afraid of, AJFC6819, nice2meet855. Vovanmillion?

4. As pure entertainment, what I'd love for you to do the most is, I'd love a micros challenge the most, e.g. $7s. Because $7s is the micros, right? Something like, you play the games for a lil', get a feel, develop a strategy and then maybe mass grind for 2.5 to 3 weeks aiming 10k games. I'd love to watch and learn

This can also be switched into bankroll challenge. Say, you turn a small deposit of $1000 into $10k or $20k (because $10k is not enough nowadays with euro and Bitcoin and all), playing spins


Question time:
1)do you use PT4? Me too, but I hate it and I want to kill the developers some days, is there any legit alternatives?

2)do you find cEV estimation by SwongSim accurate or do you think cEV skew more / less than that?

3)what do you think is the max attainable cEV in $7s is while multi-tabling in a similar fashion to what you do / done in notably $100s?
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10-30-2019 , 11:03 PM
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Originally Posted by XXIV
Do you always exclusively play GTO based, and never deviate based on reads? Do you use some kind of randomizer when you play?
After a lot of experiments with game styles, I didn't find something better than GTO.
I discussed with so many people and everyone said that GTO it’s better for me.
Because exploit is not only hud stats, adjustments vs all players pool, it is also timing tells, notes, keep track of how many fish are playing and how many have lost or won.
Obviously at 10-11 tables kinda hard to do it all.

I have randomizer in StarsHelper program.

The last 3 months I've been playing pure GTO with small adjustments.
There are spots where I deviate a lot, especially against fish.
An example:
BB vs BTN: A65T2sss bet-bet and faced donk jam at runner runner fd.
What solver suggest to call - KQo with Ks, JT, T9, A4, A3.
I'm still don't understand should i do it or not.
Because everytimes when I call this one donkbet, lose whole stack
I scare to call there even with strong hands like AK-AJ, because so underbluffed line.
But for now I follow the logic "If I would bet AI vs check, I will call this donkbet"
No idea how good it is.



And such examples can be found a lot, where people give out completely non-bluff lines.
Only here I do not play the GTO.
At the same time, I’m not sure whether it gives me benefits or not.
In any case, as an aggressor, I try to do everything as much as possible GTO, but when I defending I make adjustments based on my experience/feelings, vs regs mostly gto, vs recreational situationally.
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10-30-2019 , 11:18 PM
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Originally Posted by EPTchips

2. play $500s. Who are you afraid of, AJFC6819, nice2meet855. Vovanmillion?

4. As pure entertainment, what I'd love for you to do the most is, I'd love a micros challenge the most, e.g. $7s. Because $7s is the micros, right? Something like, you play the games for a lil', get a feel, develop a strategy and then maybe mass grind for 2.5 to 3 weeks aiming 10k games. I'd love to watch and learn

This can also be switched into bankroll challenge. Say, you turn a small deposit of $1000 into $10k or $20k (because $10k is not enough nowadays with euro and Bitcoin and all), playing spins
2) I think I would skip any action against MonkeyBausss, fig6 and sbala.
I heard that they play a lot of tables and always fight for the lobby.
In addition, they play stronger than me.
It’s not scary against the rest, few people play more than 3 tables and at my 10-11 tables I will get more recreationals.
But I can’t say anything yet, I haven’t played against these guys, maybe it will be necessary to adapt in fact

4) Bankroll challenge will eat too much time
I calculated this one for russian community, they asked it a lot.
A lot of text in Russian, but in short, I need 400 hours to go from 100$ to 10,000$.
And about 250 hours 1k->10k



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Question time:
1)do you use PT4? Me too, but I hate it and I want to kill the developers some days, is there any legit alternatives?

2)do you find cEV estimation by SwongSim accurate or do you think cEV skew more / less than that?

3)what do you think is the max attainable cEV in $7s is while multi-tabling in a similar fashion to what you do / done in notably $100s?
1. Yeap, alternative is h2n i think.
2. It is accurate.
3. No idea. 65-70 chipEV. But I just assumed. In reality, I think I will have 58-65.
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11-01-2019 , 01:09 PM
Love it, thanks
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11-02-2019 , 04:03 AM
Hi FREEQONE
You said you used PIO, GTO TRAINER AND INSTAGTO
I only play 3 $ spins so no money on pio ^^ but I saw it in GTOTrainer that they have Spin and Go pack do you think it will be good for start or do U have any sugesstions because I wonder what's best to start with to start learning GTO
Good luck dude
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11-02-2019 , 06:39 AM
^Dont do it move up to 30s or 60s and consider learning there.
on lower stakes playing a balanced strategy is a waste and will mess with your head. On micro stakes you face mostly recreationals and can mr atc headsup, cbet atc, overfold to x/r, overfold to 3bets etc etc (leaving a lot of room to be exploited) and it will be more profitable than gto
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11-02-2019 , 07:09 AM
Thanks dybboss for answer
I get your point BUT

Imagine that someone overcbets in this example OPPONENT cbets 100% ,WE KNOW that he overcebets here and this is the room to exploit him,BUT HOW we do it I mean,what range HOW we play---if someone doesent know how to play certain hands vs someone with leak to exploit this leak will not be exploited because simply that person doesent know what to do with it - i think GTO will help with that (or I am wrong?)

I mean, if a player has a leak and we don't know what the standard play is, we won't know about this leak,
going further knowing that someone has a leak but not knowing what to do with it as if we did not know about it

going even further without knowing what the standard game is, a player who has a leak can exploit us with this leak without even knowing that he exploit us because we are not able to react to his moves because we do not know how, so if this is the case then GTO can help not only in eploit players but it also prevents players from exploitng us.

Last edited by monotyp; 11-02-2019 at 07:16 AM.
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11-02-2019 , 07:15 AM
Incredible blog, you deserve the best, gogogo keep it up!
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11-03-2019 , 07:54 PM
FREEQ I have a question. PIO is $475. I atm play $7s (practice / getting out rust / getting sample winrate, optimizing setup). I crush the stake already. I have a lot of experience playing $7s and higher. However, I think I suck at some spots or'd like to get some ideas on how to play some spots differently so I can try out maybe playing those spots better or incorporating some PIO GTO in my game

Should I suck up the price of half-an-iphone 11 and buy the PIO for $475 or can I get PIO cheaper through gipsyteam affiliate or whatever other way? Thanks
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11-04-2019 , 05:02 AM
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Originally Posted by EPTchips
FREEQ I have a question. PIO is $475. I atm play $7s (practice / getting out rust / getting sample winrate, optimizing setup). I crush the stake already. I have a lot of experience playing $7s and higher. However, I think I suck at some spots or'd like to get some ideas on how to play some spots differently so I can try out maybe playing those spots better or incorporating some PIO GTO in my game

Should I suck up the price of half-an-iphone 11 and buy the PIO for $475 or can I get PIO cheaper through gipsyteam affiliate or whatever other way? Thanks
oh no, this is a bad sign if you really thinking about GTO for 7$ games.

First of all, every GTO software is being useful only from 60$ stakes.
And this is due to a lot of regs which can not be fooled by cheap tricks.
All stakes below need only logic and an understandings of how simple poker math works.

If I opened a school, I would spawn red line monsters, it is easy to study and would be very effective at low stakes.
All training would be held only on poker logic and no special programs are needed

But GTO for 30$ stakes is a waste of time for the sake of the same benefits.
It's as if you had to do the equation 2+2=4.
GTO is the way to transform it to (((248*5/10-100)/3)/2)
Cool, you are advanced, but you get same answer/same value.
But you spend a lot more resources and time getting it.

My sincere advice is not to think about GTO, but to look for less complicated ways.

But if still GTO, then you need to understand that this is not a magic pill.
Even if you buy Pio, it doesn't open the door for you to solved game.
You need to do a lot of calculations with the right sizings.
And it all takes powerful PC and time.
As I recall $475 for 2(3?) licenses, so can be divided into 2-3 people and will not be so expensive.
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11-04-2019 , 01:52 PM
^ That's probably my favorite answer in this whole thread.
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11-04-2019 , 02:25 PM
FREEQY the bot telling us not to play GTO. What a surprise
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11-04-2019 , 03:01 PM
I have long thought about such a keyboard, I think I will buy it and try to improve my setup.
Missing 2-3 additional buttons for hotkeys, and there is no place.
Perhaps this keyboard will help to solve this problem.

Possible layout of new hotkeys

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11-04-2019 , 05:47 PM
Do you only use Piosolver atm? No InstaGTO or SimplePostflop for example?
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11-04-2019 , 06:31 PM
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Originally Posted by MuckItPls
Do you only use Piosolver atm? No InstaGTO or SimplePostflop for example?
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pio for a study
simple gto trainer for a warmup before session
instagto for a hands review after session


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11-05-2019 , 05:22 AM
First report of Spin and Go Flush

-14679$ EV and 124K$ Rake

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11-05-2019 , 05:47 AM
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Originally Posted by FREEQONE
First report of Spin and Go Flush

-14679$ EV and 124K$ Rake

Winamax is -16056 EV and 63798 rake (where most people are -ev every month even in regular spins if you discount top 2 jackpots and their money comes from rakeback)

stars.com is 5197 EV and 41741 rake

stars.fres is -3820 EV and 19075 rake

should put things in perspective. Anyway, doesn't look so profitable on any site at first glance lol

Last edited by Xptboy; 11-05-2019 at 06:01 AM.
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11-05-2019 , 03:04 PM
Can you post regular spin and go stats for comparison? Curious what they look like for the same type of group sample.
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11-05-2019 , 08:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Xptboy
Winamax is -16056 EV and 63798 rake (where most people are -ev every month even in regular spins if you discount top 2 jackpots and their money comes from rakeback)

stars.com is 5197 EV and 41741 rake

stars.fres is -3820 EV and 19075 rake

should put things in perspective. Anyway, doesn't look so profitable on any site at first glance lol
Sorry but these numbers are incorrect, how you make profit with 20ch/game on 60'??? as far as i know the rake is same on flash and on regular spins as well ?!!
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11-05-2019 , 08:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Mermiad
Sorry but these numbers are incorrect, how you make profit with 20ch/game on 60'??? as far as i know the rake is same on flash and on regular spins as well ?!!
starting stacks are also 200 chips less
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11-06-2019 , 09:08 AM
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Originally Posted by FREEQONE
First report of Spin and Go Flush

-14679$ EV and 124K$ Rake

Pokerstars is the real big winner obv -.-

<dream> if poker only was a global pool and rake free </dream>
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11-08-2019 , 06:28 AM
haha, this is really weird and funny how AI found exploits in game

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11-08-2019 , 11:24 AM
"I read quite a lot blogs and in 9/10 who reached the top devoted poker 250 hours or more."

Can u name some other good blogs,besides this,
Cheers
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11-08-2019 , 06:07 PM
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Originally Posted by sniper8225
"I read quite a lot blogs and in 9/10 who reached the top devoted poker 250 hours or more."

Can u name some other good blogs,besides this,
Cheers
Mostly RU language blogs.
And this is not spin and go players.
If you are interested, I can give you links.
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11-08-2019 , 07:04 PM
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Originally Posted by FREEQONE
Mostly RU language blogs.
And this is not spin and go players.
If you are interested, I can give you links.
Yes do please
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