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Old 05-28-2019, 07:12 AM   #351
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Re: 222,222 Spin&Go Games: Endurance Challenge

Thanks for the stat . Can you share your old hud ? (when u played 25s). Also are u going to back to twitch ? Good bless you
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Old 06-02-2019, 01:49 AM   #352
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Miss your stream a lot man, any plans to keep it going on? Ive a doubt too.. Im a bit worried with my chipev in $7s, would you mind to give your opinion?

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Old 06-02-2019, 04:05 AM   #353
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Re: 222,222 Spin&Go Games: Endurance Challenge

What are the benefits of long hours sessions ? 4hrs for example?
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Old 06-04-2019, 09:40 AM   #354
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Thanks for the stat . Can you share your old hud ? (when u played 25s). Also are u going to back to twitch ? Good bless you
Can't share HUD because most of stats custom from $ huds.
Even if I share it, it will not works in your PT4.

About streams.
Yeah, i miss it too. But my primary internet too sh7tty and i have unstable connection.
I must grind on 4G USB Modem, it is not enough for streams.
Need to change appartments with another provider and more friendly policy about cables.
I will remind that in my apartment is forbidden to do new holes for a new cable , meanwhile in Russia...

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Miss your stream a lot man, any plans to keep it going on? Ive a doubt too.. Im a bit worried with my chipev in $7s, would you mind to give your opinion?
1767 games is standart sample for bad run.
I have 3000-5000 games at 30s with [-10,-5] deviation of my avg winrate.
And 10000 games at 100s.
So just keep grinding and do not lose faith in yourself.

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What are the benefits of long hours sessions ? 4hrs for example?
Hard to say.
It is all also depending on your gamestyle.
If you agressive player or very accurate with stats, it will exhaust you every 60-90 min of gameplay.
There is no sense to increase lenght of session.
Better to do a break and take some time to recover.

What about me.
Most of my game is autopilot of B, C+ game.
I focusing on a games volume and most of decisions is just loading from memory.
So I'm not really tired, because I play on autopilot.
In fact, I only interrupt the session if I really want to eat or pee.
I love this game and I like to play a lot.
So the answer to your question, what is the benefit of long sessions is that you get pleasure.
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Old 06-05-2019, 05:09 PM   #355
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Damn, running so bad this month.
I dont check results, but i'm pretty sure im destroyed.
Last month was godmode, this month no chance gaming.

Idk, I'm really dont understand what I'm do wrong.
Grinding a lot, studying a lot, but my $/hr stucked.
Seems soon i need turn the page in my poker career and finish with Spin and Go.
I dont see myself at 100-250s+.
I'm too stupid and weak for those stakes in 2019.
Really hate myself that I'm so unsuccessful last 12 month.
Yeah, i can do 5-10K$ per month at 30$ stakes.
But this is my cap.
Good money, but I cant live without any perspective and progression.

I think summer 2019 is my last crusade in spins.
Next station: MTT
I like live poker, I like tournament poker and I need a new experience.


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Old 06-06-2019, 12:54 AM   #356
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Damn, running so bad this month.
I dont check results, but i'm pretty sure im destroyed.
Last month was godmode, this month no chance gaming.

Idk, I'm really dont understand what I'm do wrong.
Grinding a lot, studying a lot, but my $/hr stucked.
Seems soon i need turn the page in my poker career and finish with Spin and Go.
I dont see myself at 100-250s+.
I'm too stupid and weak for those stakes in 2019.
Really hate myself that I'm so unsuccessful last 12 month.
Yeah, i can do 5-10K$ per month at 30$ stakes.
But this is my cap.
Good money, but I cant live without any perspective and progression.

I think summer 2019 is my last crusade in spins.
Next station: MTT
I like live poker, I like tournament poker and I need a new experience.

GG, mtt will be a walk in the park and if u go hard in streaming like u did with spins, maybe u can get a sponsorship.

Also, I think u are too hard for yourself, if u play anytime of the week 10 tables at same time, u just get way less fish than people who play only weekends, evenings, holidays etc. It is not so much about your poker skill, more about the fact that you dont game select at all.
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Old 06-06-2019, 01:09 AM   #357
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Re: 222,222 Spin&Go Games: Endurance Challenge

Sad at the likely end of his spins trajectory, but I confess that I'm already looking forward to seeing you playing mtt, I think you'll do very well if you keep up the hard work you've been up to.

Besides it would be very interesting to watch you streaming MTT, since it is much less monotonous than watching spins

Glgl Freeqz!
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Old 06-06-2019, 12:47 PM   #358
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Yea MTT will offer a lot of advantages for him with those attributes. The negative variance is higher though I believe, but with his approach to Spins, his average profitability in MTTs may be far higher so it may more than make up for it.

That said, I'm not sure it'll look less monotonous jotajose, with 12 MTT tables tiled at any given time
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Old 06-07-2019, 02:44 AM   #359
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sad to hear you are thinking about quitting mate, i quit them a while back and i cant even bring myself to enjoy a single spin anymore

im still waiting for my final table shoutout when your winning the big bucks
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Old 06-07-2019, 06:04 AM   #360
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Do you think 10 tables at hgh stakes is the "problem" ? I know you think 10 tables isnt the problem.

But maybe problem is 10tabling on 100s+ because u cant crush fish well enought and there is too much reg.

Did u try 6 tabling 100s ? its better $/hr than 30s 11tabling. You can mix your experience in exploits + GTO and crush everyone with more time to focus on tables/reads.

I dont know.. sad to read your post tbh
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Old 06-09-2019, 02:20 PM   #361
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You should move this thread to Poker Goals & Challenges, would have a billion more hits than here.

+1 to step back and lower the number of tables played simultaneously, besides the higher hourly.

Wish you the best of luck, and dont give up, you are one of a kind. Youre my inspiration.
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Old 06-10-2019, 05:41 PM   #362
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How many cev do u think is doable at 30s for 10/11 tables?
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Old 06-10-2019, 08:43 PM   #363
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Thanks for a good words guys,

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Do you think 10 tables at hgh stakes is the "problem" ? I know you think 10 tables isnt the problem.

But maybe problem is 10tabling on 100s+ because u cant crush fish well enought and there is too much reg.

Did u try 6 tabling 100s ? its better $/hr than 30s 11tabling. You can mix your experience in exploits + GTO and crush everyone with more time to focus on tables/reads.

I dont know.. sad to read your post tbh
Maybe 10 tables is the "problem".
Ok, what to do so? Play 5-6 tables at 100$ with <75$/hr.
Sounds terrible for a 3 years of experience and almost top stake in spins.
Obviously 5-6 tables enough for 250-500-1000 stakes.
But I'm too bankroll nit and can only very very careful shot 250$
And only jackpot can boost me to 500$+.

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How many cev do u think is doable at 30s for 10/11 tables?
At least 45 chipEV with good GTO understanding.
Pretty sure that GTO is a key for multitabling,
Exploit for a <6 tabling.
"Key" i mean most expected and actual winrate in longterm.
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Old 06-10-2019, 09:56 PM   #364
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Re: 222,222 Spin&Go Games: Endurance Challenge

I mean are you a doctor or something on leave? Making $65hr or something playing 5-6 tables after 3 years of study seems pretty attractive. Especially considering the hours you are capable of putting in.

What's your actual hourly since your original challenge, taking all games into account?
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Old 06-10-2019, 11:43 PM   #365
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I mean are you a doctor or something on leave? Making $65hr or something playing 5-6 tables after 3 years of study seems pretty attractive. Especially considering the hours you are capable of putting in.

What's your actual hourly since your original challenge, taking all games into account?
I'm in poker almost 10 years.
And have a lot of friends who parallel started playing.
One guy leave spins and begin grind china cash games.
He don't even beat 60$ Spins at .com, but he successfully changed game and now have 350-500$/hour month by month.
Another guy also drop spins and started in MTT, after a 2 years he is a decent online/offline reg with 500k+ bankroll and playing 25K$ events.

Probably this is my mistake, that I still believe in spins since rakeback removed.
More smart guys understand it and leave quickly.
I feel bad that I spend a lot of time on the theory and I do not see the future in spins.

65$/hr is good, but is it make sense when you can do 300+ with same approach, but in another game?
That's all I want to say.
I'm not conceited, just want to spend my time as much as possible +EV.
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Old 06-11-2019, 12:34 AM   #366
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Re: 222,222 Spin&Go Games: Endurance Challenge

If you can just replicate them at $350-500hr then why haven't you already gone over to Chinese cash games?

Did you expect to make $350-500hr in Spins on PokerStars?
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Old 06-11-2019, 03:16 AM   #367
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If you can just replicate them at $350-500hr then why haven't you already gone over to Chinese cash games?

Did you expect to make $350-500hr in Spins on PokerStars?
You can replicate almost every profession in this world.
Except NBA, it needed to be a tall black guy.
It is also important to do what you like.
I have no desire to play any poker games which I don't like.
Even if it gives a lot of money.
+EV can be not only monetary, but also emotional, mental.
It's kind of simple and obvious things.

About 350-500$/hr on PokerStars, especially in Spins.
Don't know why you ask.
Another super obvious question.
I'm struggling for at least 75-100$/hr spending almost all of my free time.
Actually have 35-50$/h at 11 tables.
Today I expect only is not drop under 30$/hr.
This is all what I want.
350$+...damn.
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Old 06-11-2019, 01:00 PM   #368
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I'm in poker almost 10 years.
And have a lot of friends who parallel started playing.
One guy leave spins and begin grind china cash games.
He don't even beat 60$ Spins at .com, but he successfully changed game and now have 350-500$/hour month by month.
What kind of stakes is it? Also, is this in Macao? I'd love to know more about these games.

Thanks!
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Old 06-11-2019, 01:16 PM   #369
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Making $65hr or something playing 5-6 tables after 3 years of study seems pretty attractive.
Except there's absolutely no long term stability in poker and limited scalability. You're giving up a lot of future EV (careerwise) by grinding those $65 per hour for 5+ years.
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Old 06-11-2019, 01:38 PM   #370
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What kind of stakes is it? Also, is this in Macao? I'd love to know more about these games.

Thanks!
It's actually the triton games


GL to FREEQ
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Old 06-11-2019, 05:21 PM   #371
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Except there's absolutely no long term stability in poker and limited scalability. You're giving up a lot of future EV (careerwise) by grinding those $65 per hour for 5+ years.
That's somewhat valid. A few counter points would be that successful poker players have spun poker success into many different businesses and several trades as well (finance for example, and also programming, though the latter is a little further removed and has some initial time investment).

Check out the business and investing forum, a lot of people have done a nice job of moving into non poker ventures after being full time pros. The self motivation requirements to get up and grind every day, the discipline to control your emotions and the money skills in managing a bankroll are pretty damn applicable to running a small business. The people skills part is missing, but you don't necessarily need a developed set of people skills for all the businesses (for example, plenty of pros went into real estate investing/air bnb/vacation rentals and they just hire out management/cleaning of the spaces).
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Old 06-11-2019, 05:24 PM   #372
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You can replicate almost every profession in this world.
Except NBA, it needed to be a tall black guy.
It is also important to do what you like.
I have no desire to play any poker games which I don't like.
Even if it gives a lot of money.
+EV can be not only monetary, but also emotional, mental.
It's kind of simple and obvious things.

About 350-500$/hr on PokerStars, especially in Spins.
Don't know why you ask.
Another super obvious question.
I'm struggling for at least 75-100$/hr spending almost all of my free time.
Actually have 35-50$/h at 11 tables.
Today I expect only is not drop under 30$/hr.
This is all what I want.
350$+...damn.
Sorry that my questions were super obvious to you, I guess to conclude it seems like a pull between you wanting to make a lot of money (other games? less tables?) and you wanting to do what you enjoy most (lots of tables, spins). Maybe there's a compromise in there, maybe you can have it all. I wish you the best of luck.
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Old 06-15-2019, 02:17 AM   #373
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What kind of stakes is it? Also, is this in Macao? I'd love to know more about these games.

Thanks!
I only knows that it is only online games via "mobile" emulators with stakes up to nl10k.
If you are interested, i know who affilating those games, prolly I can ask about it and give you more info in PM.
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Old 06-15-2019, 02:22 AM   #374
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Need your help guys,
How much is standart deviation in Spin and Go?
Pokertracker shows me ~46, but it is EVBB/100 and seems it not interested to us.
It seems need chips deviation
Somewhere I saw that std dv in spins 420-470, the higher stakes the higher std dv

Maybe someone know how calculate this stat more precise?

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Old 06-15-2019, 01:41 PM   #375
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Dont think anyone here is more dedicated than you and know this thing tbh

I have no idea, sorry.. if u finally get it, would be interesting to know it

Btw how did u test the EVBB/100 deviation ?
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