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Old 04-12-2019, 10:48 AM   #276
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Re: 222,222 Spin&Go Games: Endurance Challenge

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Where do u get these numbers from? Seems like u are just randomly putting numbers in an excel sheet to prove ur point. I doubt these numbers very strongly cause cev is not so much dependent on how many tables one plays, more how the player pool looks like. And I doubt u will be able to get 38cev/game 10 tabling 100s, people dont suck anymore like they did in 2016. But GL it will be fun to follow once again.
haha, YES, i just open my randomizer and put numbers in Excel.

About 38 chipev at 100s w 10 tabling.
Are you ready to bet money on this?
I can offer you 1:1 up to 20K$ that next 25K games at 100s will be with at least 38 chipEV and pace no lessen than 70 games/hour.
Stop sh7t talking, lets make money on your words and assumptions.
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Old 04-12-2019, 01:16 PM   #277
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All hail freeq! he is back! i too am skeptical of 38 cev 10 tabling, but not skeptical enough to bet money in as i have seen what this man can do
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Old 04-12-2019, 03:17 PM   #278
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if there will be some more ppl interested in taking the bet i'm willing to bet up to 10k$ if total will be 20k$ and it will be sent upfront to some trustworthy judge or sth, but i would like to see some terms and conditions of the bet/time span first
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Old 04-12-2019, 03:29 PM   #279
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i am down for a moderate wager if said bet comes to fruition
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Old 04-12-2019, 05:54 PM   #280
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hey freeq!
I take all actions left if you challenge offer is valid.
Just let me know the detailed rules of the bet
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Old 04-12-2019, 11:06 PM   #281
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When smartcheaters join the chat, you know the action must be good. I am willing to bet however no 20K. Make an offical bet thread and if I feel that everything is being done honestly (which in the past with other betters wasn't the case) I want action.
Also I am not **** talking. I am just giving u my honest opinions. Although I disagree with some of your viewpoints on spins, you are a hardworking honest player and I respect u.
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Old 04-13-2019, 03:12 AM   #282
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Oh, do you really think 38 chipEV at 100s impossible in 2019 at 10 tables?
I hope you didn't think that i meant to play 25K games in a single month (31 days) w 38 chipEV.
I would stretch it for 2-3 months with perfect game select: fri-sat-sun and best hours with reg/fish ratio.

But if you all still interested, so i need time to resolve my problem with streams.
I'm need to move to new appartment, because in my house not permitted to do new holes for new internet cable, fkn absurd.
Atm I grind on 4G USB modem and 100mbps as a reserve, because so unstable.
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Old 04-13-2019, 04:08 AM   #283
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I assumed you would attempt something sicko like that yea but obv that would be humanly impossible. The time frame you will play these 25K games in obv matters a lot. Before saying I will make a bet I have to hear all the details first. And as I said, I need to be 100% sure this attempt cannot be tempered with, otherwise no bets.

Btw, beware taking bets from spin maffia groups though. They have an army of grinders. What they will likely do is put all their horses in ur games when u are playing and u will be grinding in very dry games. So that will make your challenge much much harder.
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Old 04-13-2019, 12:40 PM   #284
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Re: 222,222 Spin&Go Games: Endurance Challenge

You should keep it bet free or do side bets with people you know.

After the Alvaro bet that was cheated in multiple ways, it's a tough lesson for everyone.

It's especially tough because it's fun as hell to bet on these things, but so often they are not on the up and up from one side of the bet.
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Old 04-13-2019, 06:02 PM   #285
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Oh, do you really think 38 chipEV at 100s impossible in 2019 at 10 tables?
I hope you didn't think that i meant to play 25K games in a single month (31 days) w 38 chipEV.
I would stretch it for 2-3 months with perfect game select: fri-sat-sun and best hours with reg/fish ratio.
So technically its imposible without game select?
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Old 04-13-2019, 09:27 PM   #286
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So technically its imposible without game select?
You must crush regs at least 0.8 chipev/hand per player to do it without selecting.
Because if you grind in bad hours with terrible regs/fish ratio it is so dispersion game.
I think actually 9/10 regs playing with each other regs 0 chipev/hand.
And all +networth chipEV incoming from fishies.
If there is not fishies, you partipating in breakeven games.
It is not very bad at all, because you can sharpenen your vsReg strategy.
But in case of maxEV or maxChipEV would be nice to select days/hours to make your graph sexy.
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Old 04-14-2019, 03:01 AM   #287
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Come on FREEQZ u can do it, open up them 10 tables and go crush all these 100s noobies.

Also lol at Russian apartments not allowing you to drill holes in the wall for internet xD
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Old 04-14-2019, 06:42 AM   #288
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Come on FREEQZ u can do it, open up them 10 tables and go crush all these 100s noobies.

Also lol at Russian apartments not allowing you to drill holes in the wall for internet xD
probably dont want him to find all the microphones and cameras they drilled into his walls
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Old 04-14-2019, 06:05 PM   #289
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Also lol at Russian apartments not allowing you to drill holes in the wall for internet xD
Drilling bearing walls is prohibited because it threatens the stability of the house; drilling non-bearing ones is allowed.

Whether the wall of the front door is bearing depends on the construction. In ferroconcrete panel houses of some of the standard projects, it's bearing.

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Old 04-14-2019, 09:15 PM   #290
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If there is not fishies, you partipating in breakeven games.
It is not very bad at all, because you can sharpenen your vsReg strategy.
Break-even games? If you get 0 cev against regs and there is no fish, you are not breakeven at all because rake will be eating u alive. so playing regs to improve ur vs reg game is a very bad idea which will cost u about 5$/game. In the case of freeq whos 10 tabling and very likely slightly -ev vs other regs who play fewer tables it means playing regs becomes very very very expensive.
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Old 04-14-2019, 10:32 PM   #291
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Break-even games? If you get 0 cev against regs and there is no fish, you are not breakeven at all because rake will be eating u alive. so playing regs to improve ur vs reg game is a very bad idea which will cost u about 5$/game. In the case of freeq whos 10 tabling and very likely slightly -ev vs other regs who play fewer tables it means playing regs becomes very very very expensive.
Again words from nowhere.
Take a facts.
vs top40 most often regs in HU, whole pool losing to me -0.20 chipEV/hand.
It is vs 10 table guy.

https://i.gyazo.com/d74c0bd70603d684...3f407bd266.png

vs top100 most often regs in HU -0.3 chipEV/hand, you can find even yourself in this list

https://i.gyazo.com/9c1133aacb9a4dac...c4a90ca319.png

Almost every guy in those list reg, badregs, avgreg, goodregs, topregs.

So you are again wrong about me.
I think only 5-7 regs can really crush me, but no better than 0.5 chipEV/hand on a long run.
Never had problems against regs, i think my problem why i'm 35-40 chipev guy and not 40-50.
It is bad strategy against fishes, bad adjustments, bad ranges at all.
But i'm working on this.
If you wanna know how bad my I'm playing against fishes, examples:
I can play R/CAI in 25BB deep with QTs or call open jam on BBHU with 65-76s, K9s in 20-25bb
Yeah, I tried to play vs everyone according GTO preflop.
But from the moment I bought skierdb i noticed that it was a huge preflop leak in my game against fishes.
Obv it is not needed to be a genius or having skierdb to understand it.
But my way is try everything in this game.
Step by step I improve my strategy.

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Old 04-15-2019, 01:33 AM   #292
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Ok, very well I take my assumption of u slightly losing vs regs back. Didnt expect u to have winrate vs regs playing so many tables: well done sir! So lets assume u are making 0.2cev/hand vs regs. With an average 21 hands/game you will be making 0.2 x 21hands = 4.2cev in games with 3 regs. My only point is that even though you are winning vs regs, you are still massively losing vs rake if there is no fish around. Just imagine how many fish you will need to get an average of 35-40cev/game, and you think by improving ur game you will be able to get 40-50cev. The only way you will get 40-50cev is if there is enough fish in the water.

PS: Can u share that cev/hand stat? Thx and how do u filter for most often played against players?

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Old 04-15-2019, 09:44 AM   #293
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@saint

So do u think top regs can crush or be winners vs 2 reg spins or what ?
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Old 04-15-2019, 07:52 PM   #294
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The best of the best of the best of the best reg will still lose in a game vs 2 regs. Not to the regs but to the rake. 5% of rake is a ****ton guys. Money in poker comes from fish, not from regs.
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Old 04-16-2019, 04:28 AM   #295
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The best of the best of the best of the best reg will still lose in a game vs 2 regs. Not to the regs but to the rake. 5% of rake is a ****ton guys. Money in poker comes from fish, not from regs.
Welll i dont like what this guy is hating all the time but this actually is pretty right 5% rake on this is pretty high and when i said its raketrap he said that im crushed LOL your some kind of hypocrite or what? Also i dont undersand why the rake on 250-1000% levels is still 5% but not 3-4 % obv cuz theres still ppl which paying it .
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Old 04-18-2019, 08:17 AM   #296
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Im not hating, people are just way too dreamy about what is actually possible of achieving cev wise so I want to tell them the truth. In part it is the fault of stables that use abnormally high cev or winning graphs (either fake ones or achieved by using a cheating system like queeing or lobby blocking to single out fish) for marketing purposes.
About the raketrap reply, just a little bit of trolling man. You are right in part, it is a raketrap but only if you let it be. u have to choose the right stakes, the right times to play, the right amount of tables and then games can be profitable. Grinding massive amount of tables will only be profitable for the very very very few in 2019. Freeq is able to do it on lower stakes, well see if it is possible on 100s+. i am rooting for him to succeed but it will be extremely hard.
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Old 04-18-2019, 06:05 PM   #297
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I think only 5-7 regs can really crush me
Who are you thinking of and why do you think they can crush you ? You're terrible versus fish but I dont think any reg is good enough in 2019 to "crush" your theoretical fundamentals
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Old 04-18-2019, 07:13 PM   #298
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Who are you thinking of and why do you think they can crush you ? You're terrible versus fish but I dont think any reg is good enough in 2019 to "crush" your theoretical fundamentals
Basically "redline" guys.
Because they are using any opportunity to steal pot and create a lot of pressure.
Even playing GTO against them you need to be mentally ready to calldown with bottom of calling range against big overbets and jams.

There is a positive side of coin, that this style is so exhausting and this guys don't play a lot.
I'm not going to name nicknames, in 2019 quite a few of these people left.
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Old 04-19-2019, 10:08 AM   #299
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Basically "redline" guys.
Even playing GTO against them you need to be mentally ready to calldown with bottom of calling range against big overbets and jams.
Can't remember 2 nash charts by heart after playing half a million games, but somehow can play GTO - sounds legit.

Biased numbers and sharing runbad graphs after running like a sun in the beginning of spins career that matters the most...
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Old 04-19-2019, 12:24 PM   #300
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Can't remember 2 nash charts by heart after playing half a million games, but somehow can play GTO - sounds legit.

Biased numbers and sharing runbad graphs after running like a sun in the beginning of spins career that matters the most...
GTO is a approach.
Not a direct clicking by solutions.
No one human can't play even 50% of full GTO.
All what humans can is a cut some GTO patterns and memorize it.

If i talk about GTO, so i mean approach.
At least keep freequencies close to optimal, like 54% lbet, 38% delay cbet, e.t.c. / vs regs obv
Major part of it is hand selection and this is endless work where hard working gets the advantage.

I dont really understand why people so confused when faced with GTO thesis.
If someone says: "I play GTO"
People immediately begin to think that this is a straight solver and he has all the actions like a machine.
WTF?
It is so simple, GTO and Exploit.
GTO guy will try to play with some split and street protection.
Exploit guy will click abuse buttons, like high cbet, high delay, high probe and dont give a f about balance.
But someone really think, that GTO is a same as a machine play.
Lol, no.
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