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Old 03-30-2019, 02:56 PM   #251
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Re: 222,222 Spin&Go Games: Endurance Challenge

My god this thread has some of the lowest IQ responses I have ever seen on 2+2
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Old 03-31-2019, 06:41 AM   #252
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1. EV pool is for pussies.
2. If u have around 2% roi this is obv possible.
3. You didn't show the graph where u ship like 100k in 20K games so I would like to see whole graph. Personally I don't mind the swings at all.
4. DONT JOIN EV POOLS GUYS, THEY ARE ROBBING U!!!!
1. Its 2% roi but its 77k games
2. Its the same at high ev but low volume
3. Who cares about the past.
4. How they are robbing you?
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Old 03-31-2019, 09:09 AM   #253
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Damn, in a new place i have big troubles with internet.
2 days ago in my home was blackout and after that i have issues with constant internet lags, delays and package losses.
1-2 sec package loss = stream down + pokerstars down
This trouble was in beginning and no one technic cant solve it.
Today 7th times when engineer comes to my home and we try connect new cable.

I'm so sick of it.
Downswing everywhere.
Did i said that during this 77k games and 80k underEV i was in 2 car accidents?
And both times I got hit by a dude whose brakes failed.
The first time it almost killed my girlfriend, crushed the entire right side

God, please give me at least six months off.
I'm so tired.
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Old 03-31-2019, 09:19 AM   #254
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What happens when one person steals from the EV pool by disappearing after they win a big score?
No idea.
But probably it would be a report everywhere about fraud.
x12000 not included in EV deal.
I observing most EV pool and top EV all-time was ~35K$
Well, i think a guy with potential 35K$ income not interested in some fraud schemes.
And in the rest, EV of whole pool 300K.
If someone frauded for a 10-15K, i think this will divide between all participants.
Or something will be reimbursed from the money that is paying in the pool by each participant every month.
Basically it costs 1 buyin of the main stake.

But for all time that I know, maximum frauded for a 5K$
Except "jackstack99" case, with tellmemore and sixthfinger.
Afaik this 2 guys already banned on pokerstars.
So I do not know, the scammers will be always, they steal EV, this is the reality.
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Old 03-31-2019, 05:48 PM   #255
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Damn, in a new place i have big troubles with internet.
2 days ago in my home was blackout and after that i have issues with constant internet lags, delays and package losses.
1-2 sec package loss = stream down + pokerstars down
This trouble was in beginning and no one technic cant solve it.
Today 7th times when engineer comes to my home and we try connect new cable.

I'm so sick of it.
Downswing everywhere.
Did i said that during this 77k games and 80k underEV i was in 2 car accidents?
And both times I got hit by a dude whose brakes failed.
The first time it almost killed my girlfriend, crushed the entire right side

God, please give me at least six months off.
I'm so tired.
This sounds like LOST(serial) fat character Hugo which used some cursed numbers win lotto and after that **** like this happens to him in a row (same as your incidents and bad run).
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Old 03-31-2019, 08:47 PM   #256
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Damn, in a new place i have big troubles with internet.
2 days ago in my home was blackout and after that i have issues with constant internet lags, delays and package losses.
1-2 sec package loss = stream down + pokerstars down
This trouble was in beginning and no one technic cant solve it.
Today 7th times when engineer comes to my home and we try connect new cable.

I'm so sick of it.
Downswing everywhere.
Did i said that during this 77k games and 80k underEV i was in 2 car accidents?
And both times I got hit by a dude whose brakes failed.
The first time it almost killed my girlfriend, crushed the entire right side

God, please give me at least six months off.
I'm so tired.
1. Have u ever heard of the law of attraction? Maybe something in ur aura needs to change, u need some positive vibes in your life it seems like. I recommend reading about it, it's very interesting no troll.

2. U are in EV deal so why do u care running below? It doesn't matter now right? Although I am against ev deals in general if that is your strategy there are two options:
2.1. Stick to it and be happy about the EV and actual $$ you are making.
2.2. If you are not happy in this ev deal, change your strategy and play on your own, not like a madman 99 tabling but try getting some solid roi.
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Old 03-31-2019, 09:02 PM   #257
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1. Its 2% roi but its 77k games --> Your point being?
2. Its the same at high ev but low volume --> Again your point being? I am talking about same volume with higher roi you will have waaaaaaaaaay less smaller chance of ending up with 0$ in da bank.
3. Who cares about the past. --> it matters. If u see this graph in a vacuuum u think, omg these games are ungrindable. If he would show entire graph we could see how much he is actually below ev and one will see there are also UPSWINGS way above ev which will get you closer to ur eventual EV.
4. How they are robbing you?
- They are charging monthly $ for service
- they take money out of the pool for when pool has bad run. So what if u are not in the pool anymore but u did contribute to the money that was taken out of the pool in goodrun.
- They are not paying out TOP Multi which again take significant part from ur ev.
- They are not paying your exact EV.

BASICALLY: they are getting rich on your back horsies and you are getting peanuts in return, I will never contribute to that kind of bullying. Open your eyes please.
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Old 03-31-2019, 10:39 PM   #258
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They are not paying our TOP multi ? What do u mean ? u can choose the % of x100 and x200.
And btw the exact EV is fake, u will never gonna play x10k if u are not extreme lucky and this % ev u will never materialize and aswell the x100+ ev is really hard to materialize.

I dont really like the ev deals but what do u prefer ? run 50k ev win 80k for ex and donate 30k to the pool so win 50k$ or run 50k ev and get 0$ wihtout ev deals ?

Its a extreme example but u know u can run worst 1% and win **** without ev deal even with 100 cev.
Basicly you will gamble lot of hours to the variance..

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Old 04-01-2019, 07:56 AM   #259
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The only thing I really don't like about EV pools is that they only do the accounting once a month and don't pay out early unless the player is 90 (!!) BIs under EV. That's 2-3 times bigger than what my entire BR would be for <=$7s without insurance, lol.

(That said, I'm okay with grinding $0.25 Power Up for a few days while eating the nauseating cheapest sort of pasta for $0.18 per 400 g pack if a large downswing strikes, ymmv.)

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Old 04-01-2019, 08:13 AM   #260
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They are not paying our TOP multi ? What do u mean ? u can choose the % of x100 and x200.
And btw the exact EV is fake, u will never gonna play x10k if u are not extreme lucky and this % ev u will never materialize and aswell the x100+ ev is really hard to materialize.

I dont really like the ev deals but what do u prefer ? run 50k ev win 80k for ex and donate 30k to the pool so win 50k$ or run 50k ev and get 0$ wihtout ev deals ?

Its a extreme example but u know u can run worst 1% and win **** without ev deal even with 100 cev.
Basicly you will gamble lot of hours to the variance..
I choose 50Kev, ship 80K$ and keep that 30K in my pocket. It all about BR management. If you have decent enough BR you can fire these games easily on your own.
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Old 04-01-2019, 08:19 PM   #261
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Re: 222,222 Spin&Go Games: Endurance Challenge

Yea my point is that you someone ends up stealing and it punishes the honest players.

Far far worse stories than 5k, at one point when I talked to many of the major regs weekly (and plenty daily) there would be dozens of guys that had dipped out on 10k+ owed in loans/stakes/unpaid scores. The way things are segmented now I don't know about nearly all of them, but plenty of bad apples out there and an EV pool is a pretty decent target unfortunately. Maybe I'm looking at it too harshly and/or missing something on it though.
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Old 04-02-2019, 12:51 AM   #262
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Old 04-04-2019, 10:45 AM   #263
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Tbh, I don't see a need for a large EV pool. A pool of a few trustworthy friends playing the same or adjacent limits would reduce their variance about as well and would be even more comfortable due to on-demand early payouts.
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Old 04-08-2019, 05:34 PM   #264
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The most well known EV pool is the Russian one I guess. In order to make 50k in (low-quality) EV, they paid (at least) 230k in rake (last month).
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Old 04-09-2019, 09:10 PM   #265
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Spingo is raketrap from the begining ,dont forget that they increase rake twice for spins and remove rakeback i dont know why players still like to feed pokerscams with millions of rake,mby they have relatives in the company i guess or they like profit of 50 cents and rake of 5$ per game
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Old 04-10-2019, 02:02 AM   #266
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Spingo is raketrap from the begining ,dont forget that they increase rake twice for spins and remove rakeback i dont know why players still like to feed pokerscams with millions of rake,mby they have relatives in the company i guess or they like profit of 50 cents and rake of 5$ per game
Sounds like someone is getting crushed...
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Old 04-10-2019, 03:36 PM   #267
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Soon will update my results.
Still running bad with actual$, but pretty good EV$.
Have a deal with backing to Spins 100-250$ and gonna try climb again.

Idk what to do with streams, very bad connection.
If I'm recover a lil bit with 100-250$, i'll move again to new appartment.
And will resume streams with more interesting content like highstakes grind.

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Old 04-10-2019, 08:26 PM   #268
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Re: 222,222 Spin&Go Games: Endurance Challenge

What is your opinion on improving your game while playing less tables vs masstabling at low-mid stakes ?

If u were 15s player would you play less tables to improve faster or just masstabling to maximize hourly ?
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Old 04-10-2019, 08:50 PM   #269
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I maded in Excel comparing Quality vs Volume.
And look at results.
Volume can discount a lot of chipEV and get more $/hr than "topregs".
But there is difference, if at 8-10 tables you can play with average chipEV,
there is high probability than you cannot play with high chipEV because not enough skills.

So I prefer "volume" in terms of EV.
Improve your multitabling skills, i have a lot advices in this thread and 20K challenge how to do that.

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Old 04-10-2019, 10:43 PM   #270
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the difference is, without 100x+, pre-rb, when a 55 cev 3 tabling guy drops to 52 cev cause of bad cd/bad playerpool/bad stretch, whatever, he looses sth like 15% of his income, i think most pros can handle that fine

if 37 cev player which is ~1% roi without 100x+ pre-rb drops down to 34 cev ~0,5 roi, he loses half of his income, which can take a toll on a lot of even experienced players, if that develops more mindset issues, stress, tilt, and drops another 3 cev, bam you just became b/e reg and the number of tables you play is higher than your hourly,

to me playing so close to b/e point on so many tables seems extreme and stressful, but wish you gl
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Old 04-11-2019, 12:24 PM   #271
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the difference is, without 100x+, pre-rb, when a 55 cev 3 tabling guy drops to 52 cev cause of bad cd/bad playerpool/bad stretch, whatever, he looses sth like 15% of his income, i think most pros can handle that fine

if 37 cev player which is ~1% roi without 100x+ pre-rb drops down to 34 cev ~0,5 roi, he loses half of his income, which can take a toll on a lot of even experienced players, if that develops more mindset issues, stress, tilt, and drops another 3 cev, bam you just became b/e reg and the number of tables you play is higher than your hourly,

to me playing so close to b/e point on so many tables seems extreme and stressful, but wish you gl
You considering only about chipEV drop, but in fact i think 55 chipev guy can't play better like 56-60.
And 35-38 chipEV masstabler can do it, better focus, better C/B game, every 1 chipev incresing ~15-17$/hr.
I played almost 100K games at 100s w 95% of distance 10 tables pace.
And my lifetime chipEV was 41 until I started doing random things with "powerful" exploit lines.
15-20K games with 30 chipev and now its lifetime 38.
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Old 04-12-2019, 03:05 AM   #272
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Your chipev and hourly calculations look a bit inflated to be honest. Taking under consideration games from 2016, 2017 or maybe even early 2018 seems a bit optimistic.
Games, field and tendencies change.

No offence, good luck
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Old 04-12-2019, 03:20 AM   #273
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Your chipev and hourly calculations look a bit inflated to be honest. Taking under consideration games from 2016, 2017 or maybe even early 2018 seems a bit optimistic.
Games, field and tendencies change.

No offence, good luck
I compare myself with top3 quality regs.
I don't care about guys who plays 3-4 tables with avg 40-42 chipev at 100s.
These people have no future and in the 3 years of playing in spins, I have seen the death of many players who thought that you can play a few games per month and still stay in the game.
So I reasoning only in the context of a EV$/hr and if a topreg according chipEV cannot bypass me on 10 tables, everything else is not important.
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Old 04-12-2019, 03:25 AM   #274
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March+

Played only 30-40$ stakes.
Pretty soft game, but 40s attracted too many regulars lately.
But it is still profitable.

This week I observed friends via teamviewer 100-250$ stakes and seems good time to try go back.
250$ have reg-reg-fish table very often. It is auto 30-40 chipEV table.
I was suprised when my friend open 9 tables and on all 9 tables was 2 fish ;D
So sick.

Overall chipEV
40s: 52
30s: 48

Challenge info will update soon

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Old 04-12-2019, 09:46 AM   #275
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I maded in Excel comparing Quality vs Volume.


Where do u get these numbers from? Seems like u are just randomly putting numbers in an excel sheet to prove ur point. I doubt these numbers very strongly cause cev is not so much dependent on how many tables one plays, more how the player pool looks like. And I doubt u will be able to get 38cev/game 10 tabling 100s, people dont suck anymore like they did in 2016. But GL it will be fun to follow once again.
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