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Old 03-12-2019, 10:14 AM   #226
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Re: 222,222 Spin&Go Games: Endurance Challenge

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And with recent PokerStars changes need to memorize Nash Chart.
If someone miss this one, it is prohibited since 4 March.
Obviously most of regs don't care about it and continue to play with it.

I analyzed what i can to do and there is some key points
Divided them into yellow and red zones.
Yellow-those that are rarely used, or played on GTO charts.
Red-the most used.

We have a matrix of 13x13 = 169 values
In the push the same values 20bb+ = 82
In the call chart = 41
I discount the yellow zone and counted the number of unique red combos
Total 57 push + 108 calls = 165.
In general, it is not so difficult to remember 165 numbers.
But need a regularity and constantly to repeat
(possible errors +-3 combos)

just print out the nash chart and tape it to your monitor and take it off when you stream
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Old 03-12-2019, 11:36 AM   #227
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just print out the nash chart and tape it to your monitor and take it off when you stream
That's cheating.
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Old 03-12-2019, 01:06 PM   #228
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I mean how Stars want to enforce the ban?
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Old 03-18-2019, 01:49 PM   #229
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I watch Freeq playing from a lot of time.Last few days while hes streaming hes constantly making 70-80cent + 10~ cent rb per game EV which i dont think is reliable to play in so high buy in as 40$ in which u pay 2.80$ rake per game and making 3-4 times less money than rake paid and have no rakeback.I see reg players on 5$-10$ turbo knockout sit and goes make 7-10% roi and have not same but clearly near $ per game for playing less variance,more fish and much lower buy in which means u cannot have 3-4k downswing like u can easily have on 30$+ spins .Totally not worth if u ask me .I just put an example and didnt said he must grind 5-10$ sng KOs.And also he had this 80 cent per game EV all of the time the winnings are less than EV if u dont hit some big multiplier but anyway hes on ev deal now.
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Old 03-18-2019, 03:06 PM   #230
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I see reg players on 5$-10$ turbo knockout sit and goes make 7-10% roi and have not same but clearly near $ per game for playing less variance,more fish and much lower buy in which means u cannot have 3-4k downswing like u can easily have on 30$+ spins .
There are too few turbo KO games running at $5 and above. The hourly winrate looks capped at ~$20 there. So Freeq's BR is way too large for those games (any BR above $3K is too large) and prompts him to grind spins for a $30+ hourly EV despite the much higher variance.

The current reality of online poker is that one has to withstand 2-3 times bigger standard deviation to be able to increase the hourly EV 1.5x.
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Old 03-18-2019, 03:30 PM   #231
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There are too few turbo KO games running at $5 and above. The hourly winrate looks capped at ~$20 there. So Freeq's BR is way too large for those games (any BR above $3K is too large) and prompts him to grind spins for a $30+ hourly EV despite the much higher variance.

The current reality of online poker is that one has to withstand 2-3 times bigger standard deviation to be able to increase the hourly EV 1.5x.

I was thinking to say that theres not enough traffic and theres also other sng formats to add for traffic but i didnt expect somebody to so captain obvious...ofc theres not enough traffic i mean theres enough traffic but u cannot play same number of games per hour but u can add other sngs in which can be achieved 4-10% roi while mass multitabling and dont bother with this mongo format while risking so big swings and which is clearly super reg infested.For his challenge he have Ev of 50 cent per game or less for playing such a big money variance game which is beyond my understandings ,theres no rb anymore so playing formats in which u have 0.5-2% roi is pretty bad IMO...
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Old 03-18-2019, 08:21 PM   #232
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updated my personal record:

4 hours and 309 games just per 1 session without break



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Old 03-18-2019, 09:31 PM   #233
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Old 03-18-2019, 10:45 PM   #234
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how many spin/hr do u get playing 1hr session ? 77/hr looks like not too much for 11tables for 4hrs straight, is it ?
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Old 03-18-2019, 11:10 PM   #235
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how many spin/hr do u get playing 1hr session ? 77/hr looks like not too much for 11tables for 4hrs straight, is it ?
At 10 tables I have constantly 75 games per hour.

Seems nowadays at 11 tables i have 77.5.
But I changed my strategy.
Firstly, it is GTO now.
Secondly, I reviewed a lot of spots and increased my "hands per spin" from 19 to 21.5.
(There are options for how to do 23-24 and is one of the next experiments)

I testing different approaches and this is one of them.
So now I'm playing 2.5 more hands per spin, +13% gain.
I don't know exactly how much it will affect my winrate yet.
But it definitely adds time to the spin and decreased games/hour.

And obviously, streaming, chatting with people decreasing games/hour.
If I will focus full on tables, it will speed up decisions and g/h will boost.

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Old 03-19-2019, 01:17 PM   #236
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At 10 tables I have constantly 75 games per hour.

Seems nowadays at 11 tables i have 77.5.
But I changed my strategy.
Firstly, it is GTO now.
Secondly, I reviewed a lot of spots and increased my "hands per spin" from 19 to 21.5.
(There are options for how to do 23-24 and is one of the next experiments)

I testing different approaches and this is one of them.
So now I'm playing 2.5 more hands per spin, +13% gain.
I don't know exactly how much it will affect my winrate yet.
But it definitely adds time to the spin and decreased games/hour.

And obviously, streaming, chatting with people decreasing games/hour.
If I will focus full on tables, it will speed up decisions and g/h will boost.
how did you do this maestro? gl gl
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Old 03-19-2019, 11:02 PM   #237
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how did you do this maestro? gl gl
I can't tell you in "open forum" format.
If it improves my game, then maybe I found something that really increases winrate.
I spend a lot of energy in theory.
So I don't really want to reveal the details
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Old 03-19-2019, 11:09 PM   #238
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its not very difficult to figure out which actions might make the games end faster : )
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Old 03-20-2019, 06:35 AM   #239
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its not very difficult to figure out which actions might make the games end faster : )
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Old 03-28-2019, 12:49 AM   #240
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A lot of people on stream asking me, what is EV pool and why it is needed.
Look at my recent results and this is the answer.
No one can handle with variance alone.
Even I'm.

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Old 03-28-2019, 08:37 AM   #241
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Thats what u get(sping players i mean) for playing mongo format where prizes are randomly given.Im quite sure u cant run that worse(under Ev) in SNG for that big sample .Yesterday i watch some total 30IQ players hit the 3$ max prize and take home 30k for playing llike donkey,just bingo poker .U would be much profitable in MTT or SNG .I dont have big sample like you,i played 1-2 games for fun on different $ levels and allways my winnings are less than my EV .Anyway GL and HF ,somebody ban me from your twich channel for making a joke u can unban me if u wish-mimicry92 .

Is this graph include 40$ spins from lasts days ?
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Old 03-28-2019, 03:41 PM   #242
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Re: 222,222 Spin&Go Games: Endurance Challenge

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A lot of people on stream asking me, what is EV pool and why it is needed.
Look at my recent results and this is the answer.
No one can handle with variance alone.
Even I'm.

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Old 03-28-2019, 03:51 PM   #243
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wow so youve played 77,000 games and not even made a profit?? due to running bad?
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Old 03-28-2019, 04:44 PM   #244
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Thats what u get(sping players i mean) for playing mongo format where prizes are randomly given.
Those spin regs who play at fewer tables at lower stakes have expected ROIs of more than 2% and don't experience breakeven stretches of such length.
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Old 03-29-2019, 09:04 AM   #245
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wow so youve played 77,000 games and not even made a profit?? due to running bad?

I watch him from time to time and he really run bad when i watch expecially in 4x or 6x ones.PS is happy for 77k games he paid about 200k rake so hes bassicaly a PS employee but without salary .
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Old 03-30-2019, 02:14 AM   #246
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A lot of people on stream asking me, what is EV pool and why it is needed.
Look at my recent results and this is the answer.
No one can handle with variance alone.
Even I'm.

1. EV pool is for pussies.
2. If u have around 2% roi this is obv possible.
3. You didn't show the graph where u ship like 100k in 20K games so I would like to see whole graph. Personally I don't mind the swings at all.
4. DONT JOIN EV POOLS GUYS, THEY ARE ROBBING U!!!!
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Old 03-30-2019, 08:54 AM   #247
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Re: 222,222 Spin&Go Games: Endurance Challenge

Hi FreQ,
how do you do this?

5. Study the new GTO solutions ~2000 boards and regularly do it.

Could you explain your method of study to a newbie of GTO in spin&gos?
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Old 03-30-2019, 09:36 AM   #248
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Hi FreQ,
how do you do this?

5. Study the new GTO solutions ~2000 boards and regularly do it.

Could you explain your method of study to a newbie of GTO in spin&gos?
do something, sometimes and everything, sometimes and youll be on the right path
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Old 03-30-2019, 01:05 PM   #249
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Thats what u get(sping players i mean) for playing mongo format where prizes are randomly given.Im quite sure u cant run that worse(under Ev) in SNG for that big sample .Yesterday i watch some total 30IQ players hit the 3$ max prize and take home 30k for playing llike donkey,just bingo poker .U would be much profitable in MTT or SNG .I dont have big sample like you,i played 1-2 games for fun on different $ levels and allways my winnings are less than my EV .Anyway GL and HF ,somebody ban me from your twich channel for making a joke u can unban me if u wish-mimicry92 .

Is this graph include 40$ spins from lasts days ?
yup, 40$ included

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Hi FreQ,
how do you do this?

5. Study the new GTO solutions ~2000 boards and regularly do it.

Could you explain your method of study to a newbie of GTO in spin&gos?
There is most popular tools for study GTO is PioSOLVER and Simple Postflop.
I use PioSOLVER.
You can calculate everything all you want.
It looks like board solutions, like Qc7d5s.
And you start memorize what to bet, what to check, all tree actions.
There is so much information that I am sure that no one human will even be 50% closer to the GTO full model.
But at least a little bit you can try.
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Old 03-30-2019, 02:36 PM   #250
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What happens when one person steals from the EV pool by disappearing after they win a big score?
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