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11-22-2010 , 09:53 AM

Erik1337

journeyman

Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 268

Ok, villain is big losing player, have not seen him check raise this big before

reads : likes to check-call with inside straight draws and any piece of the board,
does not give me alot of credit since i have been stabbing to him all pots (im not sure he even thinks about this though)

No-Limit Hold'em Tournament, 50/100 Blinds (2 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

BB (t1490)
Hero (SB) (t1510)

Hero's M: 10.07

Preflop: Hero is SB with 6

, J

Hero bets t150, BB calls t100

Flop: (t400) 4

, 8

, 6

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets t200, BB raises t1290 (All-In)

Total pot: t800

this spot i dont really know what to do easy fold?
is calling here terrible?

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11-22-2010 , 10:01 AM

BitchiBee

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 24,622

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reads : likes to check-call with inside straight draws and any piece of the board,

you know he likes to c/c and is generally passive, what makes you think this guy is capable of c/shoving a4o (what he needs to be in order for your call to be good)

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11-22-2010 , 10:07 AM

Crap$hoot

grinder

Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 471

^^ this, fold.

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11-22-2010 , 01:42 PM

Air-Bear

old hand

Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 1,983

Those reads were probably made while shallow. I find some villains to be shoving any pair in this spot.

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11-22-2010 , 02:19 PM

Erik1337

journeyman

Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 268

those reads where made at low blinds indeed.

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11-22-2010 , 02:24 PM

Air-Bear

old hand

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Yeah, I meant to say that obviously. Tendencies change depending on the blindlevels.

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11-22-2010 , 02:48 PM

ohly

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 3,696

why do you raise this crap?

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11-22-2010 , 03:21 PM

borderline

banned

Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 4,356

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Originally Posted by Air-Bear

Those reads were probably made while shallow. I find some villains to be shoving any pair in this spot.

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Originally Posted by ohly

why do you raise this crap?

these posts have a lot of merit.

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11-22-2010 , 03:34 PM

8Hazey8

grinder

Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 466

Sounds like villain is pretty loose passive so:

a) don't raise J6o pre - raise a much tighter range pre if villain is calling a very high percentage (i assume he is)

b) definitely bet/fold that flop - if he is loose passive then raising indicates a very strong hand, and if your read is that he plays draws passively then his hand is at least 8x, if not 2pair or a straight

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11-22-2010 , 06:18 PM

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Erik1337

journeyman

Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 268

what is a good range to preflop raise here? i feel that i might be raising too wide vs alot of opponents

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11-22-2010 , 07:01 PM

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AlaskaForever

adept

Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 808

blinds are too big, you should only raise here (not shove) because villain folds too much preflop or to cbets. Against opponents who float with gutshot i limp and try to keep pots small untill we hit.

Last edited by AlaskaForever; 11-22-2010 at 07:27 PM.

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11-22-2010 , 07:21 PM

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Erik1337

journeyman

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some very solid advice in this thread thanks alot

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11-22-2010 , 07:29 PM

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8Hazey8

grinder

Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 466

I think game flow and opponent tendencies dictate what range to limp, minraise and shove in the end game.

If they are loose passive and not 3bet shoving at all then i limp a wide range and minraise my better hands like J10, K9 etc. Against very tight passive players I will min raise a very wide range. However, only minraise a wide range in high blinds versus an opponent who will often fold pre flop (or to a cbet) - I think this might be the problem you are facing. Against more aggressive opponents it all really depends on game flow.

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11-22-2010 , 07:33 PM

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meatpies19

old hand

Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 1,859

Not much point in raising j6 when he is likely to be calling wide and continuing on a ton of flops. vs players like this you can just raise for value and you don't need to really balance.

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11-23-2010 , 03:30 AM

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BitchiBee

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 24,622

you guys are insane nits, no way you should fold j6o if he's not playing aggressively even if he calls 100% oop

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11-23-2010 , 03:34 AM

#16

palpal86

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i agree. you don't need to fold this

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11-23-2010 , 06:47 AM

#17

miniwiz

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don't 3x pre

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11-23-2010 , 07:37 AM

#18

AlaskaForever

adept

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he don't.

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