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10-01-2012 , 11:25 AM

zilltine

journeyman

Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 369

Guy were playing pretty much random. Overbetting, 3betting a lot, 3b shipping 60bb effective vs minraise, limping TT.

I know preflop should be shove. But what is better expectation call or fold if we dont ship?

River?

No Limit Holdem Tournament
PokerStars
2 Players
Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com
$28.78+$1.22

Stacks:
SB zilltine (1,440) 36bb
BB CTJ1976 (1,560) 39bb

Blinds: 20/40

Pre-Flop: (60, 2 players) zilltine is SB 2

zilltine raises to 80, CTJ1976 raises to 160, zilltine calls 80

Flop: 9

(320, 2 players)
CTJ1976 checks, zilltine checks

Turn: 3

(320, 2 players)
CTJ1976 checks, zilltine checks

River: Q

(320, 2 players)
[color="#cc0000"]CTJ1976 bets 320

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10-01-2012 , 01:02 PM

Savino

newbie

Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 17

Shoving is definitely best, but I think folding has better expectation as 22 sucks to play post flop. Unless you have some sick read that he checks down in 3bet pots.

As played on the river he doesn't rep much but I think it's better to just fold and wait for a better spot.

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10-01-2012 , 01:11 PM

watergun7

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Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 2,796

Imo fold. I don't like the fact that he is random button clicker, and decided to check twice in a 3b pot.

But assuming your reads are what your post implies, not 4b jamming pre was/is a much bigger mistake by far than whatever decision you make otr (probably even worse than jamming river) for your overall long term $EV. So in short, you are actually asking the wrong question.

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10-02-2012 , 08:10 AM

Benjamin the Donk

old hand

Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 1,254

Can you openjam 22 at 36bb? I play hypers and it's a jam from 25bb.

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10-02-2012 , 09:51 AM

Orsulab3rt

old hand

Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 1,306

^ nope

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10-02-2012 , 11:46 AM

callme

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Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 2,676

Openjamming not such a great idea, but why not jamming over his min3bet especially when you guys have been going at it with lots of 3bets and so on?

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10-02-2012 , 01:43 PM

zilltine

journeyman

Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 369

i accept my mistake of not jamming 22. Wrote that in OP, just didnt want to stack off with 22 vs him. Once i called, i were mad on myself for not jamming. But i had discussion if its shove>call>fold or shove>fold>call so decided to ask 2p2.

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