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11-07-2013 , 08:20 PM
22 in SB min raise get 3 bet to 6xBB what play is best readless 4bet jam(25BB) or fold?
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11-07-2013 , 10:35 PM
openshove, if you minraise its basically only with the intention to 4b ship over everything
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11-09-2013 , 02:02 AM
I'm os 22 and 33 here
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11-09-2013 , 07:34 AM
Shoving any pair <25bb deep is always gonna be EV+. But im not sure if its the best thing to do. If he is a weak player you may try to 4bet to 12,5bbs to call a push or push anyflop if he calls. I find it really profitable is the opp can call and fold on the flop.

Readless shoving is fine in hyperturbos, calling is not an option and if he is very tight u may fold.
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11-09-2013 , 07:54 AM
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Originally Posted by zuritah
Shoving any pair <25bb deep is always gonna be EV+. But im not sure if its the best thing to do. If he is a weak player you may try to 4bet to 12,5bbs to call a push or push anyflop if he calls. I find it really profitable is the opp can call and fold on the flop.

Readless shoving is fine in hyperturbos, calling is not an option and if he is very tight u may fold.
Oh, boy Please tell me you are not 4betting 22 non allin? Or mr folding it for that matter?

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the ev of 4betting to half stack is going to be close to the same of jamming anyway, so what's the big deal
What's the point?

Last edited by kobmish; 11-09-2013 at 08:04 AM.
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11-09-2013 , 08:00 AM
the ev of 4betting to half stack is going to be close to the same of jamming anyway, so what's the big deal
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11-09-2013 , 11:18 AM
No no, im never folding after 4 betting to half stack, i said it on my last message. I just said that is an interesting option against players that may call and fold on the flop.

Why is better openshoving 25bbs 22? Just to play unexplotaibly? I just dont see it as the best line...
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11-09-2013 , 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by kobmish
Oh, boy Please tell me you are not 4betting 22 non allin? Or mr folding it for that matter?



What's the point?
the point is to not discard the play so heavily like you did, but at the end of the day it won't have a meaningful influence on your roi anyway, hand combinations, the fact that the ev will be close no matter what you do, etc all make these "what to do with 22-44" threads overall kinda fruitless.
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11-10-2013 , 06:00 AM
readless i'd shove believing i have some fold equity. even though the 120 probably decreases that % somewhat, a generalized 3bet call range for your opponent and you prob need around 20% fold equity to make it the correct play.
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