Full Tilt Poker No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t15.00/t30.00 Blinds - 2 players
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Hero (BB): t2170.00 72.33 BBs
BTN/SB: t830.00 27.67 BBs

Pre Flop: (t45) Hero is BB with K A
BTN/SB calls t15, Hero raises to t90, BTN/SB calls t60

Flop: (t180) 3 8 2 (2 players)
Hero bets t120.00, BTN/SB calls t120

Turn: (t420) T (2 players)
Hero bets t270.00, BTN/SB raises to t620, Hero calls t350

Im much more willing to c/shove turn than to b/c with those stack sizes

i think check shoving commits him and takes out the possible FE

while double barreling gets alot of folds imo

double barrelling commits you, so whatever happens you're seeing the river. I guess we check fold if we dont hit ? wouldnt it be better to pot flop and shove turn?

C/shoving is an option that depends on how aggro he is, so readless I like betting instead of checking.

i dont see what u mean by this

if he folds im not seeing the river, but yeah else im seeing the river ofc
however if i check and he checks behind and the river blanks im kidna digusted so i dont really like c/shoving


i do see merit to potting flop and shoving turn tho, but i hadnt before yet potted flops so i was kinda hesitant to do that since hed prolly notice it was something i hadnt done before

What could happen on the turn:
if you 2 barrel and he raises you're not folding
if you checkshove, he's commited unless he bets very small.
It goes check check

you always get your pot equity (you never fold here). So, we have to see how we can make him fold.

If we bet and he calls, and we miss, there's no point in betting 300 or w/e is left for 30% pot since there is very little FE.

So......I think I'd pot flop and shove turn.

edit: If the turn went check/check, what cards do we barrel on the river?

i think this and double barreling are both fine however urs might be better as in "i dont have to worry about what if the river bricks "

cheeck shoving i really dont like that much since u have no FE and get it in with only 29% equity vs any pair

im prolly betting almost all rivers if turn would go check check here

some for value some as a bluff

if turn ever goes check check here tbh then this villain has like 2x or 3x or a draw so basically im barelling all rivers that didnt complete any draws+all rivers that made my flush / top pair

ah cant edit anymore but actually my last sentence in last post is slightly wrong

however i cant think of what would be better right now (tired/ going to sleep will think bout it when i wake up and post here)

Check shoving is just...bad IMHO. It submits ALL f/e when we can only really turn a profit by inducing folds.

Pot flop, shove turn.

As played on flop, just overshove turn IMHO. Its not like we risk any more by overbetting.

Ps, if we assume that when we check, villain very rarely b/f...
If I misclick and hit check, and he bet, calling is correct...
Crai turn seems like the worst possible play...in close running with folding.

i think with 1.5 potsize bets left on the turn, c/r shouldn't give you much fold equity.
i'd bet close to pot to look strongest here.

yeah, now that Im thinking about it, c/r doesn't achieve much.

But I think the PF raise size is what makes this hand so weird

looks fine readless, sorry you bricked
i'd need a read to crai turn tbh, not other way around

agreed esp love how u worded the last part but i rather stay away from overshoving when i dont really have a dynamic going where overshoving becomes the std
hmm how should i put this in words, i felt like vs this villain if id overshove it would look ****in weak and therefor lose FE imho, therefor i decided to bet/call
but yes, it does suck if he flats behind ^_^


deffo this

but also yeah i know preflop raisesize is kinda awkward post
but! this guy was like calling with almost ATC oop (maybe shouldve mentioned it in OP) which is why i raised it to 3x instead normally id go for 2.5 or 2 x with these stacks ofc, so i figured more money in it, and hes too deep to just open shove pre lol + its a non turbo speed so i guess needless to say my endgame isnt that great (yet?!)


i agree i thought my line was fine and that crai turn is pretty damn bad
but i think most optimal would have been to bet pot and ship turn to maximize FE, just at the moment didnt feel like i had the kinda match going where i could suddenly just bet pot and villain wouldnt get suspicious



for lolz:


bink bink


River: (t1660) 7 (2 players)

Final Pot: t1660
Hero shows K A
BTN/SB shows 3 9
Hero wins t1660.00