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03-08-2011 , 05:59 AM
Villain started the match very tight. He folded 6 out of his 9 buttons, limped twice and minraised once. I've opened 3x 6 out of 9 buttons and folded the other three. He called my raise twice and folded to a Cbet.

This is 19th hand of the match. Do you call this river? Should I get it in on the turn?


    Poker Stars, $20 Buy-in (10/20 blinds) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 2 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #8132352

    Hero (SB): 1,710 (85.5 bb)
    BB: 1,290 (64.5 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is SB with K K
    Hero raises to 60, BB calls 40

    Flop: (120) 6 6 5 (2 players)
    BB checks, Hero bets 70, BB calls 70

    Turn: (260) Q (2 players)
    BB checks, Hero bets 160, BB raises to 340, Hero calls 180

    River: (940) 3 (2 players)
    BB bets 820 and is all-in, Hero folds




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    03-08-2011 , 06:03 AM
    check back turn... the flush completed and there are trips in his range, your only getting random aq to call ott & we can get 1more street of value plus pot control going to the river taking that line rather than stacking off... i dont get the call ott to re-evaluate river, he never checks the river so ur flat ott=spew imho...
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    03-08-2011 , 10:43 PM
    Yeah, if the Q and the 5 were reversed, then we could think about betting this turn for value.

    Here, we really need to think about what his range is for check/calling this flop and then check/raising that turn. And we also need to ask ourselves which worse hands we can really get 3 streets of value from.
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    03-09-2011 , 12:16 AM
    nobody thinks a tight player will float this flop overs? QJ, QK, QT ect? And whatabout calling with a draw on the turn, combo draw or whatever - like 87, T9 with a club?
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    03-09-2011 , 01:32 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Exothermic
    check back turn... the flush completed and there are trips in his range, your only getting random aq to call ott & we can get 1more street of value plus pot control going to the river taking that line rather than stacking off... i dont get the call ott to re-evaluate river, he never checks the river so ur flat ott=spew imho...
    +1

    If this guy was as tight as you indicated in OP, this is spot on. What could he have? Looks like a flush draw or trips to me. You can't completely out rule AK, QQ from a nitty player. AK less likely because you have 2 of the kings.

    Remember this tight players fear flush draws.

    This guy is coming along, sure he could have air but i wouldn't bet on it.
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    03-09-2011 , 07:48 AM
    Checking back the flop isin't terrible.

    If he's tight, this flop should miss his range a lot. I think you can win a lot more by seeing a turn and hoping he picks up a pair. You also pot control in the event he has 6x.

    As played, your line looks good. nh.
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    03-09-2011 , 10:40 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Honey Badger
    +1

    If this guy was as tight as you indicated in OP, this is spot on. What could he have? Looks like a flush draw or trips to me. You can't completely out rule AK, QQ from a nitty player. AK less likely because you have 2 of the kings.

    Remember this tight players fear flush draws.

    This guy is coming along, sure he could have air but i wouldn't bet on it.
    Even nitty players will 3-bet QQ and AK a ton, and those hands won't take this line very often imo.

    OP, checking back flop is an option but betting can't be bad since he can float with overs. As played your line looks good.
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    03-09-2011 , 12:03 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by u cnat spel
    Checking back the flop isin't terrible.

    If he's tight, this flop should miss his range a lot. I think you can win a lot more by seeing a turn and hoping he picks up a pair. You also pot control in the event he has 6x.

    As played, your line looks good. nh.
    I don't agree with checking back flop. Though it's a paired flop there is the flush draw plus straight draws. I do like the 70 bet and in general how you played this hand though I can agree with checking back the flop though it's close imo. A lot people peel overs on these boards as well. wp.
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    03-10-2011 , 06:18 PM
    I did it again This time against a different villain, winning player at this stakes over a large sample, never played him before. This is the 1st hand of the match.

    Is it really better to pot control and check behind on turn in this kind of situations?


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      Hero (SB): 1,500 (75 bb)
      BB: 1,500 (75 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is SB with Q Q
      Hero raises to 60, BB calls 40

      Flop: (120) 3 4 4 (2 players)
      BB checks, Hero bets 80, BB calls 80

      Turn: (280) T (2 players)
      BB checks, Hero bets 170, BB raises to 480, Hero folds




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      03-10-2011 , 06:33 PM
      Quote:
      Originally Posted by turkezy
      Is it really better to pot control and check behind on turn in this kind of situations?
      i think in the second hand it is better to bet the turn because we sacrifice less value against a check raise. the first hand could be a check on the turn because it would be disastrous for us if he check raised bigger and we needed to fold what might be 11 outs.

      basically, we don't want more than 2 streets of betting with both hands. in the first hand, the majority of rivers either helps us or we don't mind them, so we like to get the bet in on the river.
      in the second hand there are more overcards and we don't have the draw, so there are far more cards that hurt us and very few cards we like. thats why i like to get the second bet in on the turn. also we can control the size of the bet in that way.
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      03-10-2011 , 06:35 PM
      Quote:
      Originally Posted by Exothermic
      check back turn... the flush completed and there are trips in his range, your only getting random aq to call ott & we can get 1more street of value plus pot control going to the river taking that line rather than stacking off... i dont get the call ott to re-evaluate river, he never checks the river so ur flat ott=spew imho...
      agree with this
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      03-10-2011 , 08:56 PM
      I don't agree on checking back the flop. He doesn't have many trips here but because he's tight he can have overpairs to the board.

      Turn's not that big of a deal because he can still have TT with club and you have good equity, but for that same reason checking back's fine since you're not worried about too many rivers. River's a fold.
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      03-10-2011 , 09:21 PM
      Just a thought. Have you considered betting more on the flop to charge these players more to chase flush draws? I would snap call your current two flop bets with flush draws and overs. You are giving pretty good chasing odds with your current bets and the implied odds make it attractive to even nitty players who understand poker math better then many Lag's.
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      03-10-2011 , 09:23 PM
      That's a good point I was going to say before but forgot.

      I think villain's range here is fairly inelastic so you should definitely be betting more here for value. I wouldn't worry about balance.
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      03-11-2011 , 09:59 AM
      I'd play both hands the same way.
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