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20$ HUSNG - Low TPTK in min3betted pot facing river potbet on paired board? 20$ HUSNG - Low TPTK in min3betted pot facing river potbet on paired board?

09-24-2010 , 07:19 PM
6th hand of the game.

Only read is, he donked dry flop 40 into 120 with an OESD, then donked 1/2 pot on blank turn/river, I just called both times.

First 3bet, I haven't 3betted him.

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Hero (BTN/SB): t1760 88 BBs
BB: t1240 62 BBs

Pre Flop: (t30) Hero is BTN/SB with 7 A
Hero raises to t60, BB raises to t100, Hero calls t40

Flop: (t200) 6 8 3 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

Turn: (t200) 7 (2 players)
BB bets t200, Hero calls t200

River: (t600) 6 (2 players)
BB bets t600, Hero raises to t1200, BB calls t340 all in
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09-24-2010 , 07:23 PM
If he donked the flop previously A7o wont play well postflop and his range, if its a normal 3b range but crappy sizing it crushes you so I dont mind folding pre. I usually call small ones wide though although but play pretty passive afterwards to basically get reads on how he will be playing in 3b pots.
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09-24-2010 , 07:32 PM
i think he's way to polar to jam river here tbh, expect to see T7-stuff a lot or smth? or hope he calls with like AT when you jam?
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09-24-2010 , 07:40 PM
Sorry for my ignorance, but what is a Low top pair top kicker? thought that wasn't possible, you see there is an 8 right? 8>7.
I dont like the river shove, i would just call.

Last edited by fmolina86; 09-24-2010 at 07:46 PM.
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09-24-2010 , 07:49 PM
Yeah, I messed up at the title.

Can't see myself folding to the min3bet tbh.

But my thought was, if he has something on that flop, he gotta be betting it, afraid of the fd? So when the 7 hits, I don't think he has anything, and is kinda bluffing? And him betting the river doesn't make sense at all, so I putted him on some kind of AK/AQ or a busted fd. Most people I've played don't fold AK/AQ there to such a small raise.
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09-25-2010 , 12:53 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by fmolina86
I dont like the river shove, i would just call.
+1
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09-25-2010 , 01:45 AM
Why are we shoving the river?
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09-25-2010 , 05:43 AM
I'm speaking from my expirience.
There are generaly two forms of pf 3bets at small stakes:
- normal sized 3bets
- tard 3bets

From time to time you'll find a guy who only tard 3bets, but thats pretty rare. In general, tard 3bet is pretty dif from a "normal 3bet" (I don't like the term normal).

The problem in tard 3bet pots is that putting your villain on a range of hands pf is almost impossile as they are capable of doing this wit the top top holdings (AA,KK,QQ, not AK,AQ...), bottom of their range and everthing between. Defending with A7 in that situation is super standard for me for a few reasons:
- you are dominated by only a few hands as all strong Ax hands in general 3bet with a normal sizing
- you are dominating a couple of his aces
- you are in front of his 1broadwa1rag holdings (I'm amazed how often they tard 3bet with like K8s)

If our general bad villain (I'm assuming he is bad if he tard 3bets) checks flop after he has tard 3bettet I'm firing (in general) as he is usualy weak. I also agree with your check cause you have solid SDW with A high. After we have hit our pair and he bets pot I'm snaping. I'm calling river, never jamming (no value imo).

The only hand I'm worried about is some random PP. (99,TT)

Hope this makes sense. Critics welcome.
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09-25-2010 , 06:06 AM
am i the only one seeing villain range as super strong ?
if he had overpair+ let me know
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09-25-2010 , 07:47 AM
He did, he had QQ.
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09-25-2010 , 07:55 AM
nice read rollinas
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09-25-2010 , 11:38 AM
Why did you think he was strong?
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09-25-2010 , 11:50 AM
folding pre is ******ed unless you've played 100s of hands vs villain and you know he has exactly a premium pair
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09-26-2010 , 09:07 AM
Yeah, I would also never fold here pf.

But should I just call t/r bets? Or just fold river, and find a better spot?
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09-26-2010 , 10:30 AM
min raise pre and chk flop is strong line that fishes tend to take at these stakes, it gets super strong when he barrels 2 str full pot, overpair is like weakest damn thing that he can have, although you cant fold preflop regardless, but i would fold on turn

+ its his first 3bet so on the flop i think he barrels AJ+;KQ and checks 66+, although his range is not that narrow ever, there should be some total air in his range too
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