little confused about this spot, oppinions appreciated !

villain is losing player with negative roi over 500 games filtered HU only.
call pre is standard i guess, on the flop i lead out to protect my hand and also to get value from any Kx,9x and all big clubs that picked up the fd on the flop.
so i lead, villain just flats (pretty quick) so i put him on a draw or a weak k maybe - turn bricks and i barrel again for the reasons stated above and get a quick call there again, no hesitation but no raise - smells pretty drawy but river brings another blank so i feel good about betting river and hope he has a decent K now or something like that. well...turns out he shoves the rest of his stack in which leads to the obvious question - call or fold here ?
we getting 2.5 to 1 on the call - u give him credit there for flopping jin or is this a easy call ? do u prefer c/c or c/f river even ?



[converted_hand][hand_history]Poker Stars, $20 Buy-in (10/20 blinds) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 2 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #8229712

Hero (BB): 1,940 (97 bb)
SB: 1,060 (53 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 9 K
SB raises to 40, Hero calls 20

Flop: (80) 9 5 K (2 players)
Hero bets 60, SB calls 60

Turn: (200) 2 (2 players)
Hero bets 120, SB calls 120

River: (440) 7 (2 players)
Hero bets 240, SB raises to 840 and is all-in

I snap it off probably breaking my finger or mouse and then note how he slowplays 2 streets with his 6 high flush.

i feel strongly against leading the flop in general but give reads and if you dont have reads then thats by far your biggest problem in this hand.

why u feel strongly against leading flop ?

Hi yaqh

Can you please explain why you would risk villain checking back this flop when we have 2p? Cring seems bad given future streets can bring a ****storm, c/c seems weak. We get fold equity by leading, value from tons of hands and control the pot size on most streets. I think I lead here even vs someone who cbets alot tbh.

I snap it off...I don't like ck/calling because he gets to check back all the hands that we could get value from... bet/call > chk/call> chk/fold?? But thats me

I'd bet the flop. A lot of flush draw, one pairs, gutshots in his range. I'd probably call the river and hate myself.

on this kind of board our equity changes drastically with the turn (think about hands like AcXx). we optimally want to either get all our money in on the flop, because our hand is very vulnerable.

if we cannot get our money in however, we don't mind not getting any money in on the flop, because we can easily fold on a club and bet nonclubs with a bigger equity advantage than on the flop.

if we have a read that he will check behind alot, i think leading flop is better because we let him draw for free with any low club hand which gives us no implieds if he doesnt hit, so folding out his equity share is better in this case.

I play it same, maybe go for pot sized bet on the turn. I think checking river is pretty big waste of money.

interesting point ohly and thx for all the other replies so far :-)
btw - talkin bout reads he was the classic loose passive player, always happy to call u down but not necessarily betting tons himself so i went for value on this flop

Bet stronger on turn and river.

I like this post

Also snap call on the river

I dont really understand this, we do really good vs club/pair+club hands, why would we not want 2 streets of value?

Ingame i autocheck every flop oop but i think leading this can be good. People check so much hands behind here that we have good equity against and that will call a flop and turn bet, whereas if we check we only get 1 street a lot of the time.

He, imo, had in mind that we want to go check/raise on this flop, and get it in here or if villain checks back we're still not in that bad position, especially as we can fold pretty easily to the club on the turn. If non-club turn we have more equity in our hand as mentioned.

exactly, we don't aim for the checktrough on the flop but against most people we risk this because we are much better off if we get him to bet and have the ability to check raise.

Why aren't you reraising pf? C/R that turn.

But shouldn't we consider that villian is loose/passive? Since he is, he can easily flat a c/r, and we put ourselves in a very tough spot if turn brings a club.

Not saying you are wrong, it was just a thought...