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12-02-2011 , 03:12 PM

none888

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Hero (BB): 1,270.00
SB: 1,730.00

SB posts SB 10.00, Hero posts BB 20.00

Pre Flop: (30.00) Hero has 6

SB raises to 40.00, Hero raises to 140.00, SB raises to 300.00, Hero ?

Will not discuss my 3bet pre but when he 4bets small and we put him on very strong range QQ - AA.

If we think that we can easely get it in on flop when hit 6 its call, right? As it cost us 160 to win 2540?

But in reality people are 4beting wider range, so what is our play here? Call, fold, shove?

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12-02-2011 , 03:22 PM

pinkflamingo

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flat pre next time if you don't know. and it would be 160 to win less than 1k

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12-02-2011 , 04:19 PM

dennisf

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I dont think many fishes play 4bet with AQ,AJ,AT or A9 or even 55. I assume you dont have good reads or something like a 4bet range. That means you do good by folding it. Think you play just too often vs AK+

But if you 3bet every third hand you should think about your villian who could play back on you. Depends on villian an so on. But on these stakes you should just fold vs 4bet.

Calling for set value makes me a little bit smirk sorry. No you dont have the odds to call for setvalue here.

Calling for good flop isnt a good option ether. This is too seldom. Furthemore I think you will play most of the time vs better pocket.

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12-02-2011 , 04:21 PM

dennisf

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You can call you can 3bet both ok. depends on how you like to play vs villian +ev.

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12-02-2011 , 04:29 PM

ohly

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Originally Posted by none888

Will not discuss my 3bet pre

why not? you are so sure that it is good but when he 4bets you you are clueless. did you hope for a fold? for a flat??

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12-02-2011 , 04:33 PM

none888

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Originally Posted by ohly

why not? you are so sure that it is good but when he 4bets you you are clueless. did you hope for a fold? for a flat??

Its not my standart and I realise that I shouldn make that 3bet I even myself dont know why I 3bet 66 so early vs him.

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12-02-2011 , 04:36 PM

none888

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Originally Posted by dennisf

I dont think many fishes play 4bet with AQ,AJ,AT or A9 or even 55.

I was thinking the same, and I decided to filter hands(~30k) at 7s and 15s when someone 4bets small me and I was surpised what I saw, AK+ was only like 30% of the time. People 4bet small middle pocketpairs, AJ, AQ, even 44,55

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Originally Posted by dennisf

Calling for set value makes me a little bit smirk sorry. No you dont have the odds to call for setvalue here.

How much behind we have to have to call for setvalue?

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12-02-2011 , 06:06 PM

Polycarpus

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Originally Posted by none888

How much behind we have to have to call for setvalue?

If you have to call more than 5% of your stack, it's mostly not worth it.
Other than that I:
* Don't like the 3B
* Don't like the call of the 4B

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