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09-26-2016 , 06:04 PM

ficilan

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PokerStars - $14.69+$0.31|10/20 NL (2 max) - Holdem - 2 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BB): 24 BB
SB: 26 BB (VPIP: 100.00, PFR: 100.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 1)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A

SB calls 0.5 BB, Hero raises to 3 BB, SB calls 2 BB

Flop: (6 BB, 2 players) 4

Hero bets 2.5 BB, SB raises to 7 BB

here?..also is flop cbet fine?

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09-27-2016 , 02:03 AM

obbudsman

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Jam pre imo. I'd cbet flop a little bit smaller. Easy fold to the raise.

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09-28-2016 , 02:27 AM

Axif

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Raise bigger pre flop. Do not jam this unless, you have a SICKO read.

This flop smashes his calling range. I would check it.

I mean - how do you percieve his calling range?

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09-28-2016 , 07:57 AM

obbudsman

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Originally Posted by Axif

Raise bigger pre flop. Do not jam this unless, you have a SICKO read.

This flop smashes his calling range. I would check it.

I mean - how do you percieve his calling range?

AJo doesn't play super super well vs a limp/call iso NAI range, while the population calls iso shoves with plenty of weak Ax and some more marginal value.

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09-28-2016 , 01:29 PM

Axif

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One question: you wanna play high variance or low variance poker with huge edge?

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09-28-2016 , 03:19 PM

obbudsman

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AJo isn't a hand you're very happily playing out of position vs a range with many middling/connecting hands like 87o. Folding these hands out, while still getting some calls from weaker Ax and some other stuff, is a good thing. I think it's close though. I iso NAI AKo and AQo for example, but I'm pretty sure that iso shoving ATo is max EV vs the population.

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09-28-2016 , 04:51 PM

Axif

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Man, I am not sure about anything in poker.

It is a game of non complete information.

If you do not have a thousands of AJo vs a limp, it is not very clever stating "I am pretty sure". But that is your business, I accept that. But strongly disagree with it

Btw, when you have Ax, it is much less likely, that he has one.

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09-29-2016 , 01:40 AM

obbudsman

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Originally Posted by Axif

Man, I am not sure about anything in poker.

You should be.

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If you do not have a thousands of AJo vs a limp, it is not very clever stating "I am pretty sure". But that is your business, I accept that. But strongly disagree with it

Do you have thousands of AJo vs a limp (both iso shove and iso NAI)? I don't, but I follow my coach' advice. His reasoning makes sense to me.

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09-29-2016 , 05:44 AM

coffeeyay

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I ISO NAI personally, and my near-GTO model also NAI ISOs almost always. Not a big deal though either way.

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09-29-2016 , 05:45 AM

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obbudsman

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Originally Posted by coffeeyay

I ISO NAI personally, and my near-GTO model also NAI ISOs almost always. Not a big deal though either way.

I assume ATo, and otherwise A9o, is an iso shove? I'm talking about vs population btw.

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09-29-2016 , 05:50 AM

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vs population shoving is marginalized due to win-rate maxing, so I'm very rarely shoving. On top of that, folding out hands also has a lot less value than vs regs since recreationals play poorly post-flop (so we get less protection vs them). So as a result ATo I still NAI ISO, A9o really close between shove, iso nai, and check.

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09-29-2016 , 07:00 AM

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obbudsman

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Originally Posted by coffeeyay

Thanks. If A9o is very close between the three options, than what does that mean for A8o? Check or shove? (I'd say shove)

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09-29-2016 , 10:29 AM

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coffeeyay

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It means check.

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10-02-2016 , 07:34 AM

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obbudsman

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Alright. I've got one more question. Do you start iso shoving all Ax (except for AKs-ATs, which you still iso NAI I guess) from 15BB? Or even shallower?

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10-03-2016 , 02:22 AM

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tobakudan

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Originally Posted by coffeeyay

I ISO NAI personally, and my near-GTO model also NAI ISOs almost always. Not a big deal though either way.

Really? My GTO model has 2 ISO NAI sizes and still ISO shoves always.

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10-03-2016 , 06:23 AM

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coffeeyay

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Probably your model doesn't have the right sizes

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10-03-2016 , 07:18 AM

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TheGodson

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You played it well imo. I think shoving all-in preflop to a limp is not good at 24BBs versus most people. I think a raise size preflop from 2.5x to 3x is ideal. Flop play is fine too.

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10-03-2016 , 07:38 AM

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Malte suckt

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misread.

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10-03-2016 , 07:41 AM

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coffeeyay

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model does not equal solver lol

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