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01-25-2014 , 10:56 AM

shawnest

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Villain looks very fishy from the first hands. How would you play it? I was thinking about C/R but went with C/calling.
[converted_hand][hand_history]Poker Stars, $14.69 Buy-in (10/20 blinds) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 2 Players
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SB: 410 (20.5 bb)
Hero (BB): 590 (29.5 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K

SB completes, Hero raises to 70, SB calls 50

Flop: (140) 8

(2 players)
Hero checks, SB bets 140, Hero calls 140

Turn: (420) 2

(2 players)
Hero checks, SB bets 200 and is all-in, Hero calls 200

River: (820) T

(2 players, 1 is all-in)

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01-25-2014 , 12:20 PM

kobmish

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Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 1,752

What is fishy for one, might be solid for another, so something more particular as stats/reads would be useful. I still cbet that board (something like 50 should do it).

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01-25-2014 , 01:28 PM

shawnest

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Let's assume we are readless. Are you bet/folding here? I don't think we have good enough odds to bet/call, but good enough to check/raise.

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01-25-2014 , 01:47 PM

kobmish

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I don't see any point in x/raising on the flop.

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01-25-2014 , 03:22 PM

Sentient Ape

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Depending on villains limp/calling range, we can also shove pre. As played check fold vs the full pot sizing is fine.

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01-25-2014 , 09:38 PM

zuritah

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What about raising around one third to half of the effective stack (~170-200) and push any flop?

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01-26-2014 , 05:53 AM

ijustclickbuttons

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Don't see any point by checking the flop, cbet should do it, he will bet 90% of the time after your check. I'm giving up on turn.

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What about raising around one third to half of the effective stack (~170-200) and push any flop?

I don't think thats good, because he will call with any mp+.

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01-26-2014 , 03:37 PM

zuritah

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Originally Posted by ijustclickbuttons

Don't see any point by checking the flop, cbet should do it, he will bet 90% of the time after your check. I'm giving up on turn.

I don't think thats good, because he will call with any mp+.

So more than 2/3 of the time he's gonna fold after putting half of his stack? Sounds like EV+ to me.

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01-26-2014 , 03:43 PM

chaosad

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as played if you call the flop you cant fold on the turn.
The 2 chang nothing here.

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01-26-2014 , 04:26 PM

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AggroSquid

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I much prefer cbetting like t60 here than xing. If i check though i'm never check raising, that seems bad.

If you're x/ calling that many chips on the flop you kinda have to call on this turn but in my opinion you butchered this hand.

(as somebody already stated, what does fishy mean? does he donk flops too much? call BB too wide? Bet too big? Be more specific)

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01-28-2014 , 03:13 AM

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Wazzle

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i think playing str8 frwd seems more than fine here. You often have the best hand and you cbet to protect it. I feel like c/c turns your hand face up a bit. and c/r won't get many folds when he pots flop, and you're never far ahead even when he calls your c/r with a draw.
i think bet/fold is prob best.

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01-30-2014 , 07:00 AM

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crazyriver

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Originally Posted by chaosad

as played if you call the flop you cant fold on the turn.
The 2 chang nothing here.

This is only true if we believe villain will be barreling his whole range on the bad barreling card, which the deuce is, so I wouldn't go with this reasoning too much. Not saying this isn't the case here but in general.

One barrel and two barrels ranges differ on a lof of cards.

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01-30-2014 , 07:04 AM

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chaosad

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Originally Posted by crazyriver

you call the potsize bet on the flop and fold on turn because he shove with a halfpot bet allin?

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01-30-2014 , 07:34 AM

#14

crazyriver

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Yea, sometimes.

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01-30-2014 , 08:14 AM

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chaosad

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if he cbets smaller ok but calling a potsize and then folding the turn after this card is for me a mistake.

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01-30-2014 , 08:25 AM

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none888

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lol how this hand got so many comments, cbet/fold flop, as played fold

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01-30-2014 , 12:44 PM

#17

ikz

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There is no reason to think you're good here, off chance you were right congrats but usually when a fishy opponent full pots the flop he's usually crushing you 99 percent of the time.

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01-30-2014 , 04:00 PM

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Emus

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Originally Posted by none888

cbet/fold flop, as played fold

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