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 Turbo - KK on 236 flop.  Turbo - KK on 236 flop.

05-29-2012 , 07:27 AM
PokerStars - $14.39+$0.61|10/20 NL (2 max) - Holdem - 2 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

BB: 1,510.00
Hero (SB): 1,490.00

Hero posts SB 10.00, BB posts BB 20.00

Pre Flop: (30.00) Hero has K K

Hero raises to 50.00, BB calls 30.00

Flop: (100.00, 2 players) 2 6 3
BB checks, Hero bets 60.00, BB raises to 140.00, Hero raises to 360.00, BB raises to 620.00, Hero raises to 1,440.00 and is all-in, BB calls 820.00

Turn: (2980.00, 2 players) 9

River: (2980.00, 2 players) 3

Spoiler:
BB shows 6 6 (Full House, Sixes full of Threes) (Pre 20%, Flop 91%, Turn 95%)
Hero shows K K (Two Pair, Kings and Threes) (Pre 80%, Flop 9%, Turn 5%)
BB wins 2,980.00


Did I played it bad? Am I giving up after his 2nd minraise?
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05-29-2012 , 07:54 AM
i shove over his 140 bet because there are alot of draws and 6x which are calling us. standard spot imo
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05-29-2012 , 08:18 AM
I fold because his making a really strong move on the flop and i think we are at best drawing to 2 outs.
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05-29-2012 , 10:37 AM
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Originally Posted by PantherBoy
I fold because his making a really strong move on the flop and i think we are at best drawing to 2 outs.
Yes there alot of 62, 63, 32 and AA in his range.
Seriously, i jam over his first raise. You rep much strength and a 6x could flat and fold to a turn bet, while can be more happy to call now.
As played his line is very strong, but in game idk if i can go away from the hand.

gl
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05-29-2012 , 04:13 PM
no, we're not folding the second best overpair in 75bb pot. he doesn't have to overplay A6 or 77 type of hands very often for us to jam. yeah sometimes we run into 54 and sets and that's ****ty for sure, but vs 2 pair we have a non-terrible equity and we obv crush lower overpairs and 6x.
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05-29-2012 , 04:45 PM
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Originally Posted by PantherBoy
I fold because his making a really strong move on the flop and i think we are at best drawing to 2 outs.
If you're leveling, please stop; it's not the first time you're posting advice that makes no sense for HUSNGs.
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05-29-2012 , 05:58 PM
+1 tigerjack to jam over his first raise. And yes in the game we are usually charmed by kings.. arent we Anyway not a spot which comes often, but still.
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05-29-2012 , 06:01 PM
i don't think jamming is the best option there. if he's doing this with 55 we want him to call a decent sized 3bet rather than folding it out, and by jamming we take bluffing opportunity away from him
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05-29-2012 , 11:52 PM
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Originally Posted by naoko
i don't think jamming is the best option there. if he's doing this with 55 we want him to call a decent sized 3bet rather than folding it out, and by jamming we take bluffing opportunity away from him
But there are only 12 combos of 44-55 and much more combos of top pair that will gii OTF than on the later street.

gl
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05-30-2012 , 08:04 AM
what about air combos he's spazzing out, and hands like 75?
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05-30-2012 , 09:10 AM
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Originally Posted by naoko
what about air combos he's spazzing out, and hands like 75?
The only reason I advocating jam is that it looks more suspicious and spazzy and tempts oppo to call light. 3bet can be a valid option too, but the air that folds to a jam folds also to a 3bet, don't you think so?
And call sucks, there are a lot of cards that freeze the action.

gl
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05-30-2012 , 11:18 AM
well played imo.
but whats up with your betsizes?
You 3x J8o and 2,5x KK readless 75bb deep?
you need a standard and good reasons to deviate.
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05-30-2012 , 01:17 PM
I raise smthing like 400, wp
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06-02-2012 , 05:47 AM
I'll go broke on that spot, too.

any reads?

But the line... imo you have to face yourself a question: Why are you minbetting around and then ignoring the facts it tells you? Dont get me wrong, i see no Hero fold here. But you minraise to keep him in the pot, right? so he raises you, and you raise again blablabla. I think we throw away a bit fold Equitiy here from hands we dont wanna. You make the decision to go broke after no Ace where on the Flop, right? So just push it harder and after his reraise shove.

I think its not that important in that special spot - because **** happens. But in general i like to give Villain the chance to face strong bets and fold or overplay their TPTK. 15$ Turbo, fishes will get unsecure if they have to fold reraised pots once or twice and you'll get a good Edge in the Tournament. On the other hand minraises forces them to overestimate their hands and commit. I just wanted to lead the focus into shove/Overbet corner.
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06-02-2012 , 07:33 AM
yea shipping flop is probably best, his stack off range should have more made hands than strong draws and I very rarely expect randoms to 4bet bluff us
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06-02-2012 , 08:12 AM
why not simply flat the raise? can't hands like 78 ect take this line and barrel turns, so we can get value? just a question, shipping over the raise should good, too.
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06-02-2012 , 08:40 AM
meh it's a valuey sizing and there is a lot of money behind and every turn card is scary. if we flat, it's gonna be hard to get all the money in vs something like Q6 when the board comes something like 632T9
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06-03-2012 , 12:22 PM
Sucks that I already took a look at the results, but villains are not 4bet bluffing at the 15USD level, he is not taking a gutshot plus TP and bluffing with it.

When he raises to 620, one pair is always owned.
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