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12-02-2011 , 02:11 PM

mermigi

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can i play the hand differently after he called my 3bet?
i cbet big obviously with the intent to call it off.Should i ever consider to check/fold flop?

[converted_hand][hand_history]Poker Stars, $14.39 Buy-in (20/40 blinds) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 2 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #11199122

SB: 1,780 (44.5 bb)
Hero (BB): 1,220 (30.5 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A

SB raises to 120, Hero raises to 320, SB calls 200

Flop: (640) 3

(2 players)
Hero bets 440, SB raises to 960, Hero calls 460 and is all-in

Turn: (2,440) 4

(2 players, 1 is all-in)
River: (2,440) J

(2 players, 1 is all-in)

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12-02-2011 , 02:16 PM

Dalglish

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Either cbet smaller or check flop. personally i check depending on gameflow/villain tendencies. Villain more likely to spew over small cb imo, so cbetting this big doesn't make any sense.

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12-02-2011 , 02:24 PM

mermigi

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Originally Posted by Dalglish

Either cbet smaller or check flop. personally i check depending on gameflow/villain tendencies. Villain more likely to spew over small cb imo, so cbetting this big doesn't make any sense.

I actually dont want to get flatted on the flop.Then what is my plan on a blank turn when i will have about 600 chips and pot will be 1200.If i decide that i'm stacking off isn't better to cbet big in order to maximize my fold equity on flop?
That's were my thoughts for betting so big.

If you check ,you intent to call or to fold to a bet?

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12-02-2011 , 02:33 PM

Dalglish

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Depends on how 3b pots have been played so far, and generally how aggro/passive villain is. Do you expect villain to jam over your large cb with worse than AQ? If not then cbetting big/calling is obv bad.

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12-02-2011 , 02:43 PM

mermigi

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Originally Posted by Dalglish

Was my first match against this opponent and not so many 3bet pots so far.My primary concern was what amount can i bet with out pot commiting my self.Can i bet/fold something like 250???Check/folding isn't too nitty????

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12-02-2011 , 02:47 PM

Dalglish

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It wouldn't say it was too nitty, but i might be a nit

I would b/f like 240-250 i think. If he flats then i'm checking turn. 3b pots aren't my greatest strength tho tbh

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12-02-2011 , 02:57 PM

mermigi

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Originally Posted by Dalglish

It wouldn't say it was too nitty, but i might be a nit

I would b/f like 240-250 i think. If he flats then i'm checking turn. 3b pots aren't my greatest strength tho tbh

Assuming that we bet 250 and he shove then we have to put 650 more to win 2440.We getting the odds to call even with just two overs+backdoor FD.

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12-02-2011 , 03:25 PM

Siriusz

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So we conclude that u are pretty much commited unless u bet very small. Which is still an option, check fold is another option. Depends on how wide villain flats pre, pretty marginal spot if u get it in so i dont mind just giving up on the flop either

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12-02-2011 , 03:38 PM

WesDone

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Shove pre-flop.

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12-02-2011 , 03:44 PM

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Dalglish

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^ yeh i also don't mind that, take advantage of him 3xing too shallow.

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12-02-2011 , 04:19 PM

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TheLusty

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Originally Posted by Siriusz

So we conclude that u are pretty much commited unless u bet very small ...

^^^ This, therefore ...

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Originally Posted by WesDone

Shove pre-flop.

...that^^^

IMHO, just too gross to put more than 25% of stack in and not know how to play 65% of flops.

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12-02-2011 , 05:47 PM

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mermigi

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Originally Posted by WesDone

Shove pre-flop.

As a standard i shove pre but back then i had turned my "tricky mode" on and that hand occurred!!!!!

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Originally Posted by Siriusz

Yes from my perspective if we bet then we are committed to call a shove.
Check/folding is an option.What i don't like is that when we check villain will almost always stab and we have to fold probably the best hand.

Thelusty we only 3bet/shove 30bb deep?If villains 3xing 80% from the button when blinds are 20/40 shouldn't we have a 3bet bluffing range other than shoving?

thnx guys for your replies.

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12-02-2011 , 05:52 PM

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Polycarpus

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If villain's raise size is about 10% of effective stacks, 3-betting 3x will always put us in awkward spots. I would most of the time shove pre, against some villains I would 3B small (maybe to 260?) in order to have an easier life on the flop.

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12-02-2011 , 05:57 PM

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crazyriver

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Yea, I'm also fan of shoving 3x this deep/shallow. If u decide to 3-bet, I'd rather make it smaller to either have some postflop possibilities or induce a bluff.

You didn't say anything about his OPR sizing and reactions to 3-bets which may be crucial here.

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12-02-2011 , 06:32 PM

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TheLusty

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Originally Posted by mermigi

Thelusty we only 3bet/shove 30bb deep?If villains 3xing 80% from the button when blinds are 20/40 shouldn't we have a 3bet bluffing range other than shoving?

Great question ... IDK, imma donk.

My thought process leads me to believe if he's 3x'ing 80% at 30bb deep we won't need a bluffing range since we can shove so many hands for value ... and why balance if he hasn't given us a reason for it. Plus, if he's playing that way pre, I'd suspect he's going to call a shove with a lot of hands he'd flat to 3bnai.

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12-02-2011 , 07:24 PM

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PlzDon'tCall

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Well if you wanna cbet I'd shove. C/shoving I like too buti need reads for that. Def. Depends on his cbet frequency %, then its just math I think (dunno how to do it tho)

Personally I hate c/folding but I'm a spewtard

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