It's like deep and he opens 50% and 3bets 10% about. I got like 51% equity against range i think he is doing this. Are stacks deep enough to play by flatting 3bet? <- this i would like to know..

bummmp

Well yeah, i still think you can play this flatting ( just considering stack sizes)

I think you have around 52-53% equity vs his range which is more than enough for shoving this pre. I just get this in pre.

Question is if it makes more sense to flat than to shove, and I don't think so, so I am of the same opinion as SoulAndBone and shove preflop.

easy shove, you've got to have a massive sample of hands to fold this because he only 3b 10% imo

Probably shoving 88 99 ajs aqo as well

well played

nh

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What about smaller 4-bet?
If not prove me wrong please

not possible. but how do you think his ranges change? does he get it in lighter or do you think it only moves hands that have good equity against you from his ranges for calling a shove and folding into his flatting range?

lol

shove

ban, please?

I believe that generally people tend to get it in then lighter, even stuff like idk... Ax, because they simply don't like folding.

Especially when there were some aggressive wars or somebody just lost a big pot.

Can't prove you wrong, but don't we kind of overrepping our handstrength by 4-betting smaller? Is it not what some players do only with AA, KK, QQ?

fixed your post imo.

4 bet > shove just because his calling range on a 4 bet is wider than his calling range on a jam.

I don't believe we got enough sample tbh assuming that he 3-bets 10%. And also take a look at this.


That's what I was talking about, more or less.

Also some fish prefer to call/raise smaller bets much wider than they call a shove. (actually not only fish, as some pretty good ppl are also tempted to hit this raise button, which makes them thrilled )

i would small 4-bet (sth like 367)/call (+mix in some bluffs - 4-bet/folding range) against some players with special preflop aggro 3-ball 4-ball dynamic. but in game, against this guy, just shove. i hate wasting time thinking about the 4-bet sizing.

but srsly, i think small 4-bet/snapping is >>>>>> better than 4-bet shoving. some players may hood flat with worser stuffs (like A7o, 89 sooooooooooooooooooooooted, remember fish loves CALLING OOP with watever stack sizes, never 4-bet/fold 3 6s against a fish tho). we can just shove any flop. (probably calling it off in most flops if villain stops n go donk shoves flop)

sometimes we can induce crazy hands like 78o to shove (very unlikely in this case). 4-bet/folding (4-bet bluff) has become a new 3-bet for a lot of players.

one hand against a specific opponent with unmentioned dynamics doesn't prove a point. also what about the times he only flats KQ and gets away on 367r and gets it in on boards that hit him? what about when he has 88,77,AT,A9 and gets scared and only flats and board brings 1-2 overcards?

Exactly my thoughts. Just get it in.