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11-07-2011 , 03:36 AM

nikitheone

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3rd hand vs unknown. Main question is about flop/turn play.

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Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #10983352

SB: 1,520 (76 bb)
Hero (BB): 1,480 (74 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q

SB raises to 60, Hero calls 40

Flop: (120) 5

(2 players)
Hero checks, SB bets 60, Hero raises to 200, SB calls 140

Turn: (520) 3

(2 players)
Hero bets 280, SB calls 280

River: (1,080) 2

(2 players)
Hero checks, SB bets 980 and is all-in

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Last edited by nikitheone; 11-07-2011 at 03:39 AM. Reason: have no idea, why i wrote passive.

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11-07-2011 , 06:05 AM

cippo93

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if he is passive i think leading is better as played im betting the turn bigger river is a fold

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11-07-2011 , 06:19 AM

Il_First_Il

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Originally Posted by cippo93

if he is passive i think leading is better as played im betting the turn bigger river is a fold

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11-07-2011 , 06:30 AM

nikitheone

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Yeah, don't know why I wrote passive, wanted to write unknown. sry for misleading title, dunno how to change it

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11-07-2011 , 07:16 AM

AlaskaForever

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Snapfold. you see bluffs sometimes, but its not often enough to call and be +EV.

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11-07-2011 , 07:50 AM

chaosad

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Dont like the c/r on the flop. vs unknown I would just call or make a donkbet.

On the River, as played its an easy fold

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11-07-2011 , 09:35 AM

nikitheone

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If I just call, won't there be a lot of bad cards on turn?
and why you want to donkbet against unknown?

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11-07-2011 , 09:52 AM

ohly

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Originally Posted by nikitheone

If I just call, won't there be a lot of bad cards on turn?
and why you want to donkbet against unknown?

because this board frequently gets checked behind by his overcard type hands which might have 6 outs+backdoors and can play pretty well against us ott.

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11-07-2011 , 06:29 PM

bunzablood

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Originally Posted by ohly

because this board frequently gets checked behind by his overcard type hands which might have 6 outs+backdoors and can play pretty well against us ott.

If villain is passive, I see your point. But OP says he's not passive anymore, given that, I don't think villain is checking back flop on this board, he's usually cbetting.

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11-07-2011 , 07:02 PM

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ohly

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Originally Posted by bunzablood

If villain is passive, I see your point. But OP says he's not passive anymore, given that, I don't think villain is checking back flop on this board, he's usually cbetting.

villain is unknown and in my experience this will get checked back alot, no?

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11-07-2011 , 07:53 PM

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bunzablood

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he raised 3x, usually that leads to a cbet on these type boards in my experience, even vs. unknown. If he minraised, perhaps I see this checked back a lot (I prefer donkbet on limped or minraised pots)

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11-08-2011 , 01:20 PM

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crazyriver

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Originally Posted by ohly

villain is unknown and in my experience this will get checked back alot, no?

No =p

This time gotta disagree that villain checks back this flop often.

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11-08-2011 , 05:34 PM

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nikitheone

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I think also that unknown would more probably cbet this than check back.

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