New to Hyper Turbos, completely new to New to Sit N Go's Villain seemed like he was a fish after 6 hands or so, open raising 3x every time (assuming a 3x open as a standard at these blind depths is a leak correct?)

Is my line fine?

[converted_hand][hand_history]Poker Stars, $14.69 Buy-in (10/20 blinds) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 2 Players
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Hero (SB): 420 (21 bb)
BB: 580 (29 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 5 T
Hero raises to 40, BB calls 20

Flop: (80) 4 5 K (2 players)
BB bets 120, Hero raises to 380 and is all-in, BB calls 260

Opening 3x in HTs is very bad and can easily be exploited (by 3-bet shoving).

Vs. a king you're pretty crushed and (flush) draws will have overcards to your 5.

Yes but who overbet donks a K on that board and vs a Flush draw with an over I'm slight dog but even if he holds a hand lik A6hh getting it in is correct is it not assuming he doesnt have a K? I hvae to put in 380 to win 460

It is one of those spots where you are slightly ahead or absolutely crushed.

So based on the brief convo so far, are we saying that a call is better than a jam?

I would fold to that bet, see more hands before deciding to call or raise (likely latter like you did)...he's easily exploitable with his 3x raise so no need to take this type of risk here so early.

I would limp pre...

Agree. The 3x is a huge exploit. Even in earliest blinds, he is making 15%+ of his effective vulnerable. I'd want a little larger sample on this guy before c/r shoving midpair.

+1 fwiw

The same sort of idiot who raises 3x in a hyper turbo

You're missing a very large part of his range which would be labelled as random spew. Assuming the lowest of his range is a fd is a big mistake.

Also, how can we say limping 105 is right without knowing or asking anything about his big blind tendencies? Against 3x'ers, it's often a better way to gain the initiative in a hand by m'ring rather than limping. Aggressive fish often don't let you get away with a limp but don't punish you by 3betting so you can have the advantage in a pot more m'ring instead of limping. Just something to consider.

I don't mind a shove here at all. Against aggro opponents with shallow blinds you're going to have to take every edge you can and if you think he's likely to be spewing here then jamming is the best option I think.

How are you finding HyperTurbos op?

Having fun with them so far


Villain had 56cc.

Am I missing something here? Why would I limp a hand like T5 if I believe villain is a fish? I can have initiative and position and can play much better postflop than him.

Coming from a cash background not taking iniaitive in this spot is a huge leak, especially vs a villain you can outplay even with a smaller SPR, why is this not the same in Hypers?

If you add enough random spew to villain's range than it's obv a profitable shove. ^^

I think you're right OP. Limping can be used occasionally but shouldn't be used as default I'd say.

why not? imo limping T5o readless (and relatively readless as in the hand) here is max ev (better than minr and open folding)

can't really comment on limping T5 (still think raising is better tho, I Hate to limp/fold in general, and to limp/call that partucular hand), but I like our flop shove, mostly because of good kicker
So i would really fold weak five here

limping t5o is bad i think

with a hand like that I want to end it before the flop so raise or fold is the decision imo

I hate and I don't want aren't equity based reasons

As a particular course of action for one street in isolation limping 105 may be best equity wise but for playability, exploiting your opponent optimally and balance either min raising or folding are far better than limping. That's not even taking into account dynamics, how often opponents raise our limps and accumulating easy chips from their folds or less than optimal flop and then c/cs or c/rs.

Information in poker in crucial and by limping in you're getting no information on a hand and getting yourself in a confusing spot with a poor holding. I rarely, if ever see anybody open limping at 25BB's at $200+ (against me, each other or random fish). Surely all high stake regs can't be wrong?

Yes but theres more to poker than equity based reasons.

Can you elaborate further on why you wouldn't want to have initiative vs a fish and would rather limp besides our hand strength? Hand strenth really isn't the most important thing here. Position and initiative is much better than position and limp folding or position and being last to act in a limped pot.

Villain can stab here with any 2 and what flop are we going to want to continue on when villain stabs that we wouldnt want to continue if we raised preflop?

Never saw this before, but I didn't CR shove. I shoved over his donk overbet

its hard to play t5o well on any flop so I'd rather raise and see less of them

IM not sure why you are so obsessed with equity, sure everything we talk about are euphimism for equity when you boil it down but equity is hard to think about while stuff like - how well does my hand flop, can i call a 3bet, am I forced into calling a 3bet if I raise here is easier to understand

I think limping is ok altho i think T5o is a bit too strong to do that, you can still make a hefty profit opening and barrelling, tho i guess the cutoff is statistically more likely to be at T5o than T4o/T3o coz of no str8 possibilities. I guess limping is better in $15 readless since there are more people out there who cant fold bottom pair

and Id also minraise, not shove

t5o is really, really easy to play in a limped pot. villain stabs into you alot? raise yo! villain is passive, stab & barrel!

e: i'm also minraising but don't really see why limping would be bad in any way