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15$ hyper turning JJ into a bluff 15$ hyper turning JJ into a bluff

04-04-2017 , 03:39 AM
PokerStars - 10/20 NL (2 max) - Holdem - 2 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: 26.5 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 45.83, 3Bet Preflop: 20.00, Hands: 57)
Hero (BB): 23.5 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has J J

SB raises to 2 BB, Hero raises to 4.5 BB, SB calls 2.5 BB

Flop: (9 BB, 2 players) 9 Q A
Hero bets 3.5 BB, SB calls 3.5 BB

Turn: (16 BB, 2 players) A
Hero checks, SB bets 5 BB, Hero raises to 15.5 BB and is all-in, SB calls 10.5 BB

hey, what do u think about my play on the turn? i kind of like it vs a reg, because it looks super strong to ch r on this turn imo. on the other hand a reg will often realise theres not many Ax in my nai 3b range.

vs fish i think its just give up
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04-04-2017 , 04:00 AM
I dont see any point in doing that, also c/c flop imo
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04-04-2017 , 06:06 AM
Yeah c/c flop. I'm not a fan of the play cause he should have plenty of Ax here and would be hard pressed to fold Qx.

I 3-bet ATs - AKs non-ai vs regs and I think it's pretty standard. Not that many combos, but still. I think you can 3-bet-call down to A8s, if you feel comfortable doing that.

I am kinda curious whether folks call this turn as played tho. I think we can call here once right?
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04-04-2017 , 06:50 AM
I really see no point in c/r JJ as a bluff here. Maybe if you have a weirdly played KT or something it could be cool.

@Bombardir pretty sure the avg $15 reg will be massively underbluffing this spot with this sizing, so I don't really think we should call.
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04-04-2017 , 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Duncelanas
@Bombardir pretty sure the avg $15 reg will be massively underbluffing this spot with this sizing, so I don't really think we should call.
I think you are right, but any chance he bets 9x this amount?
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04-04-2017 , 02:05 PM
my strategy might be little bit rusted, but theres not so many Axs in his range and chance he has one of them is super low since there are 2 on the board

c/call the flop is definitely an option, but saying "i dont see any point in c/r JJ as a bluff" doesnt give me or u anything, its just an blank statement. say why do u think its pointless

imo if i call ott im putting myself in hard spot otr and villain can use a sizing that will left us no folding equity if we decide to turn hand into a bluff otr and im not super happy calling down with jj in this spot, since we only beat missed draws and there's few less combo because we block some with jacks

really im not convinced that the way ive played this hand is way worse than c/calling the flop (if we assume that he doesnt have many Axes obv), because its going to be really hard to call with q, at least id have to really think it through
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04-04-2017 , 02:34 PM
We will have hands that are better to turn into bluffs than JJ in this spot. I feel like that's a pretty obvious extension, but if pointing that out helps you then there it is I guess.

If you want to bluff this turn, then (for example) picking 9x hands is going to be better than JJ (if we think villain can have Q9/A9 here). Hands like KT and KJ also make more sense to me than JJ.
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04-05-2017 , 05:00 AM
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Originally Posted by unblvblx
my strategy might be little bit rusted, but theres not so many Axs in his range and chance he has one of them is super low since there are 2 on the board

c/call the flop is definitely an option, but saying "i dont see any point in c/r JJ as a bluff" doesnt give me or u anything, its just an blank statement. say why do u think its pointless

imo if i call ott im putting myself in hard spot otr and villain can use a sizing that will left us no folding equity if we decide to turn hand into a bluff otr and im not super happy calling down with jj in this spot, since we only beat missed draws and there's few less combo because we block some with jacks

really im not convinced that the way ive played this hand is way worse than c/calling the flop (if we assume that he doesnt have many Axes obv), because its going to be really hard to call with q, at least id have to really think it through

Betting flop is def not bad, but I prefer checking, imo hand plays better this way, but ev its probably around same for betting and checking.

And check raise is bad because your hand is bluffcatcher, you will fold out all worse hands and get called by better hands, also when you get called you will have just 2 outs to improve, so something like KT, KJ definitely will be better for xraising.

And SB can easily have way more Ax than you think, at least much more Ax than you, for example SB minraises A6+, 4bets AQ+, flats rest.
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