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Old 05-13-2017, 06:17 PM   #1
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$15 hyper - overbet delay river

I think turn is close between barreling and checking. As played, good spot to overbet the river to fold out many pairs? What if the A would be a K?

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Hero (SB): 13.85 BB
BB: 11.15 BB (VPIP: 65.00, PFR: 52.63, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 20)

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has J 2

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River: (4 BB, 2 players) 5
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Old 05-14-2017, 05:30 AM   #2
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Re: $15 hyper - overbet delay river

Vs rec or reg?
I expect u to barrel spades and 79ott so u don t have the nuts otr then i would never overbet against a reg here.
Vs rec why not.

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Old 05-14-2017, 06:05 AM   #3
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Re: $15 hyper - overbet delay river

Good point. This is vs a rec, so I think an overbet is better than checking.
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Old 05-16-2017, 05:08 AM   #4
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Re: $15 hyper - overbet delay river

Can somebody explain why we don't fold preflop this short? Saw in the chadders hyper package that he said we should not limp those hands.
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Old 05-17-2017, 05:09 AM   #5
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Re: $15 hyper - overbet delay river

Vs a rec I both like betting turn, or checking turn overbetting river. You aren't repping that much at all, so you would have to be a bit picky as to which player to do it against.

Vs reg I wouldn't bother tbh. You would have to be fairly balanced, both on the turn and river (but could expand value range with 2p type hands.)

In my opinion.. :-)
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Old 05-17-2017, 07:05 AM   #6
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Re: $15 hyper - overbet delay river

I believe J2o is a clear limp pre at this depth. Usually I open-fold it from 4.6 to 6bb, but I will consider it from 6 - 8bb if villain is really spazzy against limps.

For me the turn is a clear barrell and not close at all. People fold more than enough here on A-high board especially now that a second overcard to 6/8 comes along.

I'm not a huge fan of a river bet here because I think villain will have some hands that he feels uncomfortable valuebetting on a connected boards, but hands he can't really let go either, like two pairs. I think an overbet could work here even if you rep nothing, but not sure if it's better than giving up or not.
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Old 05-17-2017, 04:06 PM   #7
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Re: $15 hyper - overbet delay river

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For me the turn is a clear barrell and not close at all. People fold more than enough here on A-high board especially now that a second overcard to 6/8 comes along.
I think the Ts connects to a flop calling range pretty hard. Many backdoors hit a draw, plus many straight draws and backdoors hit a pair. The overcard probably makes it fine to barrel, but I don't believe it's a very clear barrel. Not sure though.
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Old 05-17-2017, 04:20 PM   #8
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Re: $15 hyper - overbet delay river

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I think the Ts connects to a flop calling range pretty hard. Many backdoors hit a draw, plus many straight draws and backdoors hit a pair. The overcard probably makes it fine to barrel, but I don't believe it's a very clear barrel. Not sure though.
In a raised pot I'd definitely agree with you, yet in this spot he can have just so many random stuff.
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