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04-07-2017 , 01:02 PM

obbudsman

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Join Date: Jun 2015 Posts: 1,472

I believe villain was reggish.
Iso 4/17
Fold vs cbet in limped pots 3/10, 0/4, -
Check/raise in limped pots 0/10

I showed a lot of strength, so I think we can exclude pretty much any bluff from villain's shoving range. I think the large majority of 2pairs would either x/r flop or turn or donk river, leaving him very straight/flush-heavy.

We need 23%. Do we have it??

PokerStars - 10/20 NL (2 max) - Holdem - 2 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: 24 BB (VPIP: 68.12, PFR: 34.43, 3Bet Preflop: 20.00, Hands: 74)
Hero (SB): 26 BB

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 8

Hero calls 0.5 BB, BB checks

Flop: (2 BB, 2 players) 8

BB checks, Hero bets 1 BB, BB calls 1 BB

Turn: (4 BB, 2 players) 4

BB checks, Hero bets 3 BB, BB calls 3 BB

River: (10 BB, 2 players) 6

BB checks, Hero bets 8 BB, BB raises to 19 BB and is all-in, fold

BB wins 26 BB

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04-07-2017 , 01:32 PM

sippin_criss

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Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 11,765

I think your analysis is solid here and I think this will be a fold against most opponents. Seems a bit absurd to fold so much of our range but this line from villain is almost only 100% what he perceives to be the nuts, and even the recciest of recs are highly unlikely to spaz like this with 2p.

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04-07-2017 , 01:52 PM

noxplode

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Join Date: Mar 2017 Posts: 45

I think he is never bluffing there, and can only narrow him down to low trips, and the -probably unlikely -flush. He probably has some reads on you to play trips this passive on the flop or turn, otherwise its a flush

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04-07-2017 , 04:27 PM

watergun7

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Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 2,796

Yeah he should lead turns and x/r turns a lot with 2ps and combo draws with your small sizing.

You could have bet bigger ott but your size is fine also. As played you can even jam river yourself to avoid this spot as villain is supposed to check jam A6 for value too (if you nai you would most likely miss value vs that hand). If you bet nai imo it is only to exploit and have to fold.

Having looked at a solution there are also some weird shenanigans going on where villain check jams 2p and you fold better 2p + 88 (indifferent, not 100% fold) but call with worse sometimes (A8 is a 100% call always tho). No way villain is doing that.

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04-07-2017 , 04:49 PM

obbudsman

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Originally Posted by watergun7

You could have bet bigger ott but your size is fine also.

Do you double barrel pot or overbet 2pair+ in limped pots deep in general?

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04-07-2017 , 11:18 PM

watergun7

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Yes you can do so on static turns.

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05-04-2017 , 02:59 AM

Tsaketa

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Join Date: Sep 2013 Posts: 55

Excuse my ignore here, but why are you not at least mr A8os this deep?

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05-07-2017 , 02:19 AM

Bombardir

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Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 1,177

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Originally Posted by Tsaketa

Excuse my ignore here, but why are you not at least mr A8os this deep?

I'm guessing obbudsman is doing it for winrate maxing, since the hand is only a marginal facing a 3-bet-shove. Another good reason to limp this hand is if villain is iso-jamming hands like small Axo, which some do.

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05-07-2017 , 02:28 AM

obbudsman

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Join Date: Jun 2015 Posts: 1,472

Yeah, although I think it's borderline and A9o is a minr

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05-07-2017 , 03:01 AM

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Bombardir

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Originally Posted by obbudsman

Yeah, although I think it's borderline and A9o is a minr

Yeah I think A8o is close between 2x and limp. I think if you reads that villain is 3-bet-shoving all of the small Ax it's probably better to raise-call deeper as well.

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