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15$ HT TP Turn shove vs fish 15$ HT TP Turn shove vs fish

08-03-2013 , 12:19 PM
Villain is a huge fish.170 hands he is opening 80% of hands and cbets around 70%.The few times he checked back flops and went to showdown he had either TP(in his eyes this is always the nuts no matter the kicker) or better or total air.He was cbetting all draws/pairs 3/4 pot.
Otf i think leading would have been a better option i didnt do it coz i didnt have any leading dynamic atm to see how he reacts(prob he would raise a lot).Also QT has enough equity to call a cbet.
What do u think about the turn?i dont put him on any draw otf and prob would just flat turn with clubs since postflop he was either firing the trigger himself or calling with his showdown(rarely raised me).Whats ur bottom raising range?any thoughts on checking turn with the intention to C/R or C/C?

[converted_hand][hand_history]On Game, $14 Buy-in (10/20 blinds) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 2 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #18710681

SB: 500 (25 bb)
Hero (BB): 500 (25 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with T Q
SB raises to 40, Hero calls 20

Flop: (80) 9 7 6 (2 players)
Hero checks, SB checks

Turn: (80) Q (2 players)
Hero bets 40, SB raises to 460 and is all-in,
15$ HT TP Turn shove vs fish Quote
08-09-2013 , 11:46 AM
Snapcall turn
15$ HT TP Turn shove vs fish Quote
08-09-2013 , 12:50 PM
3bet pf.
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08-09-2013 , 01:37 PM
Unless he's a total spewtard you're not getting it in good here i guess: qt+/q7/q6/8T/85/q8 and occasionally some flopped 2pair or something like aa-qq that he checked back otf. You need 42% equty.
Versus some player I could make a what i call "exploitable fold" here, though it looks kinda silly. But really i dont think it is.

I'd lay this one down & make a note he can make a play like this.
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08-09-2013 , 02:52 PM
Tbh, in my database for 15's, the % of checkback->raise turn is like 8%. Occasionaly some spew, but mostly it is at least turn'ed TP.
Against a random I'd consider folding, def. folding a worse queen. Against a reg I'd be much more likely to call.

With your reads, snap call.
Also, imo, lead turn bigger.
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08-09-2013 , 03:25 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Munchking
Against a reg I'd be much more likely to call.
If you mean by reg a decent player, then you wont ever encounter this line cause no reg is gonna jam turn here.
^^

Quote:
with your read snapcall
which read is that?
You dont have a read on his cback flop , jam turn range.

So imo you should asses a range ott here & from that you have to make a decision whether to call or not.

So the question is: what range do you give him in order for you to think it's a snapcall?
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08-09-2013 , 03:55 PM
In most cases it is another queen(single queen pair or two pair) or a made straight. (In my experience)
You didnt invest too much in the pot, I'd fold it and note it.
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08-09-2013 , 04:19 PM
The read being that villain can check back TP(not sure if he'd ever check back this kind of board), but, more importantly, that he treats it like the nuts no matter what.
We need 42% equity; against a range of only hands better we have some ~38.5-40%.

If he's ever bluffing/shoving picked up draw/ is shoving 9x here, we have to call. The required amount of hands like that is really small, I think it is call against a described villain.
Literally adding J8o to a range of AA-KK, Qx, sets, 2pairs, straights, makes it a call.
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