My first 3-bet. Less than 10 hands have been played.

why'd you think 3betting was your best option preflop?

Looked up his stats and villain seemed reg-ish. Wanted to create an aggressive image.

Plus most regs are kinda tight-aggressive, so they should fold a bunch to 3-bets.

dont like your 3 bet fold pre 3bet hand like Kxs Qxs and AJ+ 99+

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agree that 86o is not the best hand to 3-bet, but really disagree with your premium 3-bet range there.

Three bet bluffs are ok, but I try to do it with the top of my folding range, or with the bottom of my calling range. 76s, or even 86s could be fine, but offsuit I don't like it that much

As played I am very confused what he is repping on the turn. Not that many 3x in his range.

i prefer flatting 76s i think 3betting hands like Kxs Qxs Jxs is better because thay can flop a good draw or a decent top pair

If WesDone decided to create an aggressive 3-bet dynamic 3-betting 76s is perfectly fine. Of course is it also fine to flat call 76s. All depends on what Wes thinks is the best game plan against this regular.

I think the question is more if 86o is good for a 3-bet bluff

Well I disagree with you both on your 3-bet-ranges.

First off I'd just call with hands that can flop good and play relatively easy (like suited connectors).

Second, I don't like 3-betting with Kx or Qx since his calling range will dominate us a lot if we're getting a lot of action. You said that these hands 'can flop a decent top pair' but we will be dominated a lot when we indeed do flop top pair and stacks are getting in.

So that's why I like to 3-bet hands like 86o, T5s, 96o etc.

But please correct me if I'm being wrong here.

T5s is worthless but overall i agree

your reasoning is fine, only would've 3bet bigger since you're 3betting for fold equity right? this size gets called a lot i think.

So we've been talking about whether this hand is good/bad to 3-bet, but what about my post-flop play?

Re-raise/shove on the turn would be my play, flatting here is imo really bad because there isn't really any card on the river that we'd be happy to see. Turn is imo obvious street where you need to do something; either fold or commit(=shove/re-raise, don't like flatting with this board).

i dont like 3bet this hand with no reads

What hands we elect to 3bet with mostly depends on villain's tedencies.

If villain's calling our 3bets wide,3betting hands like 86o,96o,T5s is not that great as we would have to play a bloated pot OOP with a hand that doesn't flop well at all.

If villain is only 4bet us or fold then we can 3bet random trash hands in order to balance for the times that we 3bet our monster hands.

For example 3betting KJ against an opponent that he either 4bet or fold is suboptimal as when villain will 4bet us we 'll be behind his 4betting range and we will have to fold a hand that is actually quite strong.(practically KJ in this scenario plays the same as 72o)
In contrast 3betting KJ against an opponent who will call our 3bets wide can be the most+EV play as he will call us with a lot of hands that we either dominate or we are ahead (JT,K9,QT,J9,98,78,T9...).

Now in a $15 HUSNG game there's probably no reason to 3bet 86o,especially early in the match with no reads and put yourself into a gross spot when you have to take a hard decision.Just fold and wait for a better hand to 3bet.Against most opponents you dont even have to care about balancing as they don't observe enough to catch up what you do.And you will play one or few matches.3bet for value and if villain is opening a ton of buttons start widening your 3betting value range.There 's no really need for any fancy play.

3 betting this early you will very rarely get a fold unless villian has garbage, these funky hands you want to 3bet would be better with FE, they play pretty ****ty OOP when flatted.

the reason they could be 3bet is so you can easily fold to a 4 bet and to help you get paid off on your value 3bets

barbara, what kinda crap are you letting take place in this thread!

the post about 3bing Kx/Qx suited and AJ/99+ was spot on

that's what he did? to clarify, 87o is a standard preflop call against a minraise, so how can 86o not be the cutoff between calling and folding pre?

pretty much this. i think 86o is right at one of those indifference curves where everything is about equal-- so flatting is about same as 3b and both are probably a tiny bit better than folding.

So I definitely think 3b is fine here.

As for post, everything looks weird. I'm not very good this deep anymore, but I'd probably just barrel the turn small and hope to get some overcards to continue floating. As played, if I check turn it's probably to gii over a turnbet. And as played no way I fold river--yeah he has a couple straights there, maybe some sets, but he also has overpairs and bluffs and maybe big 6x hands, and we just got there