Seat 1: Hero (1380 in chips)
Seat 2: Villain (1620 in chips)

Blinds 10/20
Villain is fish

Hero 6 3

Villain raises to 40
hero calls... Pot 80

FLOP A 3 8

Hero checks
Villain bets 20
Hero raises 100
Villain raises 1480 to 1580 and is all-in
Hero calls 1240 and is all-in

TURN Q

RIVER A

i fold

yes, call

I'm not sure how you count 14 outs there.

I'd fold and hope to play better than him for the rest of the game.

Plenty of time if he's a fish.

Think I'm folding this. If villain is a complete fish then you'll be able to stack him in a much less marginal spot.

I think 14 outs is a fair assessment. 9 for the FD, two 3s and three 6s

agree if he is a fish there is going to come so much better spots.

as for the 14 outs, i nenver think all of your outs are going to be good here unless hes is some kind of goldfish

I wouldn't call a random 6 an out. The opponent is shoving.
I can't even be sure I have 11 outs.

It's 20BB, you could call the flop easily and see how things go from there.

I agree with what you said in your previous post wixmonster, just fold it
and hope to get him later.

very possible that villain has a fd as well. I would call

A5? 87o? a gutshot? who knows.

only given read we have is "Villain is fish"

If villain is shoving on a flush draw he has to have the 2c/4c/5c to make ours good.

yeah, I dont have stove on this machine but against a FD w2 overs we're a small dog right? like 45%? I guess with the little dead money in the pot this is +ev

how are we doing against Kc2c?

Yeah I too think he most likely has an Ax or even an 8x.

In that case though we'd be getting all our chips in 50/50 or bit less
against a fish who hopefully we might outplay. Shoving the flop
when first to act would be a better play than calling allin -
but I see nothing wrong with just folding if I got that far into the hand in the first place. Like you said above 'If villain is a complete fish then you'll be able to stack him in a much less marginal spot. '


Edit:About 60/40 against K2cc. I still can't call, villain is a fish.

But we already have a pair.

We do, but we're a dog against a FD with 2 overs

Yeah, I see your point, but there isn't many flush draws we'd get in ahead of here, The opponent raised pre (and he's a fish)
Looks very much a flip for all our chips to me. Is this really a +EV call against a fish who we could hopefully outplay? I may be wrong but I'd just leave it and play on at 20BBs

Board: Ac 3h 8c
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 51.313% 51.31% 00.00% 508 0.00 { 6c3c }
Hand 1: 48.687% 48.69% 00.00% 482 0.00 { KcJc }


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I stand corrected. My bad.

how are we against a strong pair or a set?

I'd fold if I had any evidence to lead me to think I would have better than a 60% chance of winnin with these stacks after the hand, not likely if this is a turbo/villain has greater than -10% roi.

A little behind against most pairs barring 2s,(4s,5s slightly ahead of) Way behind if he villian has a set.

I was mistaken, there are many flush draws we are slightly ahead of.
I don't like the call myself if we have an edge over opponent,
but I'm here to listen and learn.

So my thoughts are now...

The less our edge against the villain the more this becomes a call. We're never significantly behind here, but this is obv a high variance spot and if we can crush villain with reasonably ease in later hands then we should.

wtf at anyone saying fold?? seriously.

Can you explain why you'd always call this.

I don't know if this is a turbo sng. Would it make a difference if this was 10m/15m blinds?

not that this particular situation is a fold, people are just considering the fact that their % chance of winning the sng with the stack they have when folding is greater than their likelihood of winning this flip.

folding is fine. we're a flip at best and could be in really bad shape. Ax makes up a huge portion of his range, and also will show up with a club a fair percent of the time which further reduces our equity. If he's a very weak fish then we can expect to have a 60-65% winrate.
judging by the blinds, it's still very early in the match and we can comfortably fold leaving us with even stacks giving us a bigger edge than 50%~ or whatever the stove calculations would give for a suitable range of Ax(with/without club) and bigger flushdraws.
if you fancy yourself as a strong favourite in the match, this should be a fold. I'm amazed that so many people think this is a snapcall.