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: Calling range vs. ridiculous spastic : Calling range vs. ridiculous spastic

12-22-2011 , 02:07 AM
Reads: Villain is usually raising between minimum-5x about a third of the time, 10-20x a third, and just open jamming the other third in either position pre. Villain has not called or checked back more than once to my recollection preflop. Postflop tendencies are about the same, 1/3 check, 1/3 overbet, 1/3 jam.

I have one hand this entire game I've wanted to get in, and ofc he picks the passive lines for that one. Here's the second one.

Blinds 10/20:

Hero in SB with 1250 chips and [hand he wants to get in pre]
BB with 1750 chips and probably a stick of glue in his mouth

Part 1: How do we try to get it in pre? Limp trap? Minraise/hope for a a spaz?

Part 2: I tried the limptrap. He of course goes passive pre again and minraises. Play from here?

Part 3: I three-bet to a not absurd amount and he flat. He immediately openjams a 886r board. Your calling range?
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12-22-2011 , 03:06 AM
part1: has he been only going crazy on his btn rasing those ******ed amounts? if hes been doing same out of bb then just raise ur stadard and 4bet him smallish so he spazz shoves.

part2: again reraise an amount that will induce him to spazz.

part3: entire range you u limp 3bet him with for value pre. you shouldnt have a limp 3bet bluff range against someone like this, so snap his shove with everything you limp 3bet him w pre.
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12-22-2011 , 07:44 AM
^ yeah this

definitely open pre imo, as it starts building the pot and gives him more incentive to spazz both pre and post. minraise is probably fine.

and yeah, you're gii on 866 flop with everything you're trying to gii it in with preflop.
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12-22-2011 , 10:03 AM
Whats bad about traplimping high pps at these stacks is that if villain is gonna attack it with garbage he probably was spazzy enough to 3b garbage occasionally to (probably less, but he loses more with a 3b) so if you limp-reraise even bad players will sometimes suspect something, and theyre not gonna call with their garbage, just with JT and **** that flops well, and play fit or fold post. Now if you had just openraised they would also play these hands and if they hit their toppair they would stack anyways.

Thats just some random thoughts about it, not sure what to conclude but it just seems stupid to traplimp high pairs. If someone attacks limps a ton limp/shoving stuff becomes good.
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12-22-2011 , 10:06 AM
how did i forget the most important reason traplimping a high pair at these stacks sucks: he checks back and its stupid
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12-22-2011 , 10:14 AM
Pardon me just throwing random stuff down thats not a direct answer to OP's question, but another: its not a bad idea to limp early in a game with hands that you wouldve just openfolded and see what villain does to it, this can become useful information particuarly for late game. Also, an all limping strategy is generally stupid because a lot of your profit comes from opponent folding to your preflop raise.
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12-22-2011 , 10:37 AM
Part 1: Execute your default action. Minraise, if you did before, limp if you did that. Otherweise he might get curious.

Part 2: Click back to induce (I like the absurd raise as well).

Part 3: As said: entire limp-3bet-range.
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12-22-2011 , 01:35 PM
Should clarify a couple things:

Hand 1 he opened to like 200 or something dumb.

Hand 2 was the other ok pot we won, I opened AQ from the button normally, he called (a bit rare from him in future actions), flop tptk, he donks for 150, I make a raise to 400-ish, expecting to get it in a lot, but he folded.

The rest of it was a lot of overraises, random shoves, and the occasional passive action (usually the rare times he'd c/f to a c-bet ... I don't think I saw him c/r once but then again he just led out a ton of the time) -- which whittled my stack down quite a bit because I never had anything at all playable. I actually did limp a few crappish button hands to gauge his reaction, and it was usually a huge raise preflop.

I probably should've actually mentioned I didn't have a big pair here, I had AJ: there's not a lot of flops I hate getting a big pocket pair in postflop against this guy like ever. Though the more I think about it with AJ getting it in is going to be quite likely vs. all the stupid A-rag stuff we crush no matter our line, so it's a matter of trying to get the junk hands to spaz if we're playing to get it in preflop as often as possible.
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