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.50 turbo full tilt, big draw on the turn. .50 turbo full tilt, big draw on the turn.

10-11-2010 , 12:15 PM
Just got bashed by a player after this hand occured. He proceed to bash me about how bad i played the hand, i did not think to much of it at the time until i realised his stats.

Is a 13% roi player on sharkscope, noticed he was sitting waiting for action on nl100 and nl200 tables. So checked PTR and he is up over 100k.

Did i play this hand bad, as at my current skill level i am playing this hand the same every time.

Full Tilt Poker No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t20.00/t40.00 Blinds - 2 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter By DeucesCracked Poker Videos

Hero (BTN/SB): t1485.00 37.12 BBs
BB: t1515.00 37.88 BBs

Pre Flop: (t60) Hero is BTN/SB with T 5
Hero raises to t80, BB calls t40

Flop: (t160) 3 2 K (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets t80.00, BB raises to t220, Hero calls t140

Turn: (t600) 4 (2 players)
BB bets t600.00, Hero calls t600

River: (t1800) 8 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets t585.00, BB calls t585
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10-11-2010 , 12:21 PM
villain is most likely bumhunter, dont listen to him
i'd play it the same most of the time
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10-11-2010 , 12:22 PM
Turn call is really bad imo.You are getting 2/1pot odds.Even considering the implied odds this is an easy fold on turn.
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10-11-2010 , 12:23 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by spamz
villain is most likely bumhunter, dont listen to him
i'd play it the same most of the time
you will call the full pot bet on turn?
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10-11-2010 , 12:26 PM
the call is pretty much break even against are villains range without any implied odds what so ever.
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10-11-2010 , 12:26 PM
Stupid again lol.I missread the hand.Didnt saw the open ended straight draw.
Ignore my coments.Thought that only if we hit the flush we are good.
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10-11-2010 , 02:09 PM
What if we call and riv is a T fold to his shove anyway?
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10-11-2010 , 02:12 PM
It's crazy how much equity you do have on the turn against a range of only sets and strong kings. I plugged 22,33, KT-KQ, KTs-KQs in pokerstove and got 32% equity, so even when he pots the turn you're pretty much getting odds to call and hit. So to deny odds to you villain would have to overbet the turn pretty big. Also, if villain in this hand showed up with anything besides 22/33 at the river, would you say he massively overplayed top pair?
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10-11-2010 , 02:13 PM
whatever villain had his c/c on the river is bad if you ask me
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10-11-2010 , 04:24 PM
bah, i think it doesn't matter much wether you fold or call the turn.
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10-11-2010 , 11:29 PM
Pardon the noobish question, but why are we not shoving turn?

I mean, can we really fold the river after calling a PSB on the turn if we brick?

I would think that calling the turn is so commiting that it would be better to shove. Am i wrong in thinking that that would be more profitable any time even though our FE is tiny to none at the moment?

Please educate me if I am horribly wrong
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10-11-2010 , 11:40 PM
jamming on turn would be better in some cases; they would require
1) we will fold the river with the best hand a bunch of the time due to villain having worse draw and we both brick
2) we have no implied odds on hitting (this is mostly due to being 4flush on board or something) and still have decent enough amount left for villain to c/f
neither of these are correct in this spot (our T-high will be best hand like 2% of the time tops I guess, esp with 5c in our hand nothing like 75cc that villain can have; and we only got like 1/3 pot left so it's not like villain is c/f'ing a lot of rivers, maybe like Ac when he has KJhh and that's about it and even then I'm guessing he sticks it in enough)

why would we call river if we brick anyway? seems horrible
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10-12-2010 , 12:17 AM
ok, makes sense. This is just so different from my usual way of thinking in these spots, so this opens my eyes to new ways of thinking quite a bit. thx
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10-12-2010 , 04:57 PM
just played this hand; villain has 200 left on river

Party Poker No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t20.00/t40.00 Blinds - 2 players - View hand 978220
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

BTN/SB: t1160.00 29 BBs
Hero (BB): t2840.00 71 BBs

Pre Flop: (t60) Hero is BB with 8 K
BTN/SB raises to t80, Hero calls t40

Flop: (t160) 9 8 K (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN/SB bets t80.00, Hero raises to t240, BTN/SB calls t160

Turn: (t640) 2 (2 players)
Hero bets t640.00, BTN/SB calls t640

River: (t1920) A (2 players)
Hero bets t200.00, BTN/SB folds

Final Pot: t1920
Hero wins t1920

i'm guessing he had like 76cc or smth because his line makes no sense otherwise
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10-12-2010 , 05:20 PM
Nice example, wow, that is super thin.
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10-12-2010 , 05:41 PM
is there any merit to getting it in on the flop? what % is he folding to a shove??
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10-12-2010 , 07:55 PM
getting it in on the flop is pretty bad.
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