No reads.
First hand so, meh....but I guess I butchered it. At the time I thought it was value with equity, folding out Ax and Kx, but I dont know. The flop doesnt get much better. Is this a spew?


Poker Stars $11.00+$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t10/t20 Blinds - 2 players
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Hero (BTN/SB): t1500 75 BBs
BB: t1500 75 BBs

Pre Flop: (t30) Hero is BTN/SB with 3 3
Hero raises to t40, BB raises to t120, Hero calls t80

Flop: (t240) 8 8 8 (2 players)
BB bets t120, Hero raises to t1380 all in, BB calls t1260 all in

Turn: (t3000) 4 (2 players - 2 are all in)

River: (t3000) K (2 players - 2 are all in)

Did he get an AK?

i dont usually call pp pre to a 3b

is villian going to call enough times with 22 or overcards? i sided on a bit spewy

btw whats the pokerstove on this

I don't like the call pre.. It is the first hand, 33 play horible postflop. just fold imo to his 3bet

Ok Maybe the range is a little wide, but hey its the first hand which is always kind of special.

19.5 %

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 50.806% 47.96% 02.84% 110161 6531.00 { 3c3d }
Hand 1: 49.194% 46.35% 02.84% 106457 6531.00 { 22+, A8s+, K9s+, QTs+, JTs, T9s, 98s, A8o+, KTo+, QJo }

Against this pre-flop range it looks like decent fold equity.


So I figure the best case scenario, is if we fold out all Ax Kx and broadways (Obviously A8 etc is not folding, but I will ignore that for now).

Now against an any pair calling range we are simply being slaughtered

calling range
Board: 8h 8s 8c
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 11.447% 08.11% 03.33% 5382 2211.00 { 3c3d }
Hand 1: 88.553% 85.22% 03.33% 56526 2211.00 { 22+ }

thats way too wide!range villian 3 bet im guessing any pair and maybe ats+ ajo+

lol nice shove. get every hand that beats you to call and every hand u lose to folds.

Actually, there is good chance Ax will call a shove

call flop & re-ev turn

+1

That range is a bit wide, but yours is probably too narrow. Any ace 3-bets for most villain types.

Nope. IS AK calling..whats do you expect Villain to call here with?
Set Mining?
I think the calling ranges are Villain dependent. Look I am really not sure is a Maniac calling Ax? Would a tight player fold pocket 77s?
Yes of course it was bad. But I thought, well my hand is not getting any better, the flop is good and Villain should be folding a decent part of their range. I thought any other raise size is disaster if Villain shoves... also because it was the first hand, there is the gambling aspect. Is pocket 77's folding here? Like at what point is this play profitable? granted 3's look a little wide, but what about 99? Is this really just a bad spot to fast play?
Yes, I think this is true for certain Villains at these stakes, especially given that it is the first hand.
Always appreciate your advice t1lt. I did consider flatting, but thought the hand would only get tougher because there are no good cards for my hand. Thinking about it now if Villain checked turn here we could just try to check it down to the river or even shove the turn with slightly more information. Problem is the passive choice can be a disaster read less (first hands can always get crazy IMO) and check/shove/call is always beaten on the turn I think.

Personally I think that because we are read less on the first hand Villain could have 3 bet with ATC. On the flop I think a cbet is just standard here. The only things that interest me now about this hand is how wide the calling range is versus the shove and at what point( ie hand strength-do we get value), from fold equity and a calling range .


Thanks for the responses everyone.
Anybody want to give Villains cbetting range an estimation? and/or
The break even point for our shoving range against the cbetting range?

Well I guess I had to learn from my mistake......


Poker Stars $11.00+$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t15/t30 Blinds - 2 players
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Hero (BTN/SB): t1865 62.17 BBs
BB: t1135 37.83 BBs

Pre Flop: (t45) Hero is BTN/SB with 5 5
Hero raises to t60, BB raises to t150, Hero calls t90

Flop: (t300) 8 8 8 (2 players)
BB bets t120, Hero calls t120

Turn: (t540) J (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets t315, BB folds

I guess Villain was cbetting with air.....
Thanks for the help

I think almost all Ax is snapping a shove on this board tbh, which makes shoving not terrible.

The people who are saying to fold pre fail at math.

Don't like calling pre against unknown and as played not a fan of getting it in but def worst hands are calling but were still flipping w them, more or less.

I think almost all Ax is snapping a shove on this board tbh, which makes shoving not terrible. +1