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Old 09-21-2010, 02:30 PM   #26
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Re: 11.50 HUSNG TP on drawy board

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no offense to you either, but if you checkraise/fold flop with top pair a lot when shallow then i think you can be glad if you end up breakeven
good point Im glad Im not breakeven
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Old 09-21-2010, 02:35 PM   #27
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as you can see coin flip is your best expectation, Im not surprised why you are BE
If you're going to make fun of the guy at least realize chips in the pot are significant enough to where a coin flip is pretty damn favorable compared to a fold. We're not 100bb deep in a limped pot.
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Old 09-21-2010, 02:36 PM   #28
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Re: 11.50 HUSNG TP on drawy board

i can not possibly think of a worse line than checkraise/fold flop tbh and i've been thinking about this for a while now
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Old 09-21-2010, 02:45 PM   #29
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If you're going to make fun of the guy at least realize chips in the pot are significant enough to where a coin flip is pretty damn favorable compared to a fold. We're not 100bb deep in a limped pot.
I was not making fun of this guy at all
I know this guy and I respect him, I just said my opinion and if its not allowed then ban me, Im not looking to offend borderline or any other guy in this forum
if you have any questions like me not being winning player then sharkscope "Lucky HU" and you'll see

My opinion doesnt have to match w spamzor's or borderline
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Old 09-21-2010, 02:54 PM   #30
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Re: 11.50 HUSNG TP on drawy board

I don't care about your stats or anything.

All I was saying that if you're going to ridicule another poster by calling him a breakeven in the $6s, at least make sure the previous strategical post and your argument of it is correct.

It's pretty incorrect to check raise and fold as a 50-50 in a spot like that with chips in the pot. That's not an opinion, it's proven fact due to chips in the pot, and significantly so in a spot like this.

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no offense, I've read that "info" in this forum in past few days, somebody wrote that you are be @ 6s or smth like that.
These aren't particularly nice things to say about somebody, especially when check raise call would be correct compared to check raise fold.

It's fine though, you're not getting banned or anything, I was just pointing out that the line of thinking wasn't really correct and it wasn't nice to say what you did on top of that.
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Old 09-21-2010, 02:56 PM   #31
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Re: 11.50 HUSNG TP on drawy board

idk man, saying I'm b/e (which I'm not), and basically discrediting my post with it , and then posting the worst possible line to take, isn't the greatest way to come across.

And I really don't care if you're a winning player or not.

And your posts should mirror what spamz0r has to say, since he seems to be on the ball on most things. And if you have reasons to play a hand differently, you better explain yourself in detail, and not just go "you're wrong".
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Old 09-21-2010, 03:07 PM   #32
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Re: 11.50 HUSNG TP on drawy board

I almost teared up when I saw this guy being up more than me in HUSNGs...
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Old 09-21-2010, 03:09 PM   #33
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Re: 11.50 HUSNG TP on drawy board

I agree that I wasnt very nice, and Im sorry if I offended you by that

but I do not agree that I should mirror one guy or the other
yes, my thinking could be totaly wrong but we are human arent we? and we have ability to learn from mistakes
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Old 09-21-2010, 03:10 PM   #34
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I almost teared up when I saw this guy being up more than me in HUSNGs...
yeah, im super hot running last 4k games.
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Old 09-21-2010, 04:23 PM   #35
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raise/folding is by far the worst option here...
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Old 09-21-2010, 07:58 PM   #36
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Re: 11.50 HUSNG TP on drawy board

Is donking this flop terrible? When I first read through the hand it seemed like a pretty good spot to do so, but then 30 posts or so later no-ones even brought it up, starting to wonder if/why it's bad.

I know the guy c-bets "close to 100%" but he also calls down "way to light" and we have top pair on a super wet flop (I'd be interested to know if board texture had seemed to be a factor in the previous spots where the opponent didn't c-bet).

Just seems like a good spot to lead to me, thoughts?
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Old 09-21-2010, 07:59 PM   #37
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if he cbets 100% it's definitly better to check and trap dead money from hands that dont have that much equity vs us anyway imo
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Old 09-21-2010, 08:02 PM   #38
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Re: 11.50 HUSNG TP on drawy board

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I know the guy c-bets "close to 100%" but he also calls down "way to light" and we have top pair on a super wet flop (I'd be interested to know if board texture had seemed to be a factor in the previous spots where the opponent didn't c-bet).

Just seems like a good spot to lead to me, thoughts?
This is not a "super wet" flop by any standard.
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Old 09-21-2010, 08:41 PM   #39
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Re: 11.50 HUSNG TP on drawy board

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if he cbets 100% it's definitly better to check and trap dead money from hands that dont have that much equity vs us anyway imo
I guess I just see a ton of players w/75-80% c-bet ranges that are checking back this type of flop so often. (That's why I was wondering about previous check-backs, also don't really know what close to 100% means) Is there an opponent type/cbet tendency that you would donk this against OOC?

Now that I've thought about what I just wrote I guess giving a free card to the types of hands they are checking back on this flop doesn't seem as terrible as my mind had it. Seems like he'd have to be checking back a decent amount of draws/worse pairs to make donking the best play.

Got something new to think about when I go over my HH's. My brain already hurts

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This is not a "super wet" flop by any standard.
Really? Flush draw and an 89 doesn't qualify it as super wet? I mean, maybe it's not break out the shamwow wet, but it's pretty wet.
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Old 09-22-2010, 06:40 AM   #40
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Re: 11.50 HUSNG TP on drawy board

you played this so backwards of what you want to do oop.

raise flop like others say... but leading when his possible flush hits, not one, but two streets, is pretty wtf...

The river isn't helping, and you have to think about plan on flop When you call, what is your plan for future streets if... different things happen.


I see so many people have no plan at all it's wow. You're happy to take it down on flop, building a giant hand with this is bleh.
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Old 09-22-2010, 06:47 AM   #41
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Re: 11.50 HUSNG TP on drawy board

Just the way you describe him has me jealous of not playing this player type anymore... donk 2/3rds ... yes plz...

Just play in position vs guy and tighten up out, value is fine, but you can dictate pot size... trap him on monsters, and valuetown deathroll him.

Not really "nitty" building this pot with that strength of hand.
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