A cumulative 1500 games over 100 games v people do count.
Still, u have to play so many different people, and in 100 games you really hardly break someone strategy (when they are decent). Real edge comes after 100 games... Of course u can play more than 100 games vs someone but u can not do that wit everyone from group 25 players unless you want to have 10k games vs division
No, not everyone shares notes. And even if they did, it would make no sense to make it easier and more profitable to do so.
It does, in first games guy wit reads, stats have bigger advantage, when opponent is read less. Longer you play more is about edge and skills. So sitlister will have 20 guys with 100 games and maybe 5 with over 500 games. Result is thinner edge, lower adjusted roi. For sure playing 4 guys, each one for 1k games gives bigger edge, or let say higher possibility to achieve criteria. New rules making harder for sitlister to come in
You realise 49% of division do not want this right? And almost definitely none of stronger ones do. Don't blame the whole division.
Yea i do, i do not blame them, i do feel sorry for best division regular, cause they need to share lobby wit those who are hiding behind rules and also feel sorry for best sitlister, cause they are pushed away from lobby for too long and and the same time i feel sorry for all regs, cause so much money going to stars.
Also you say way harder but its not even that much of a change. To get in I played 15 people for 100+ games, and would've took only 150 more games to get to 25 people for 100+. If I had known that from the start, I would've easy done that, especially with ability to request games now.
Is not only about numbers of game, but also number of players, you have to arrange battle and study them
If they are only there because of that, they wont last.
true, but they are in for too long
50.1% wr is not enough cos nobody has any incentive to share with somebody who is a heavy loser. Not too mention the uncertainty about their true wr if they only have 50.1%
I talked about itm % vs division. Is not good enough to better, division guys need to lose 3/4 rake to let someone in. So sitlister has to be way better and than share lobby with the same guys
Thanks Bluenowhere, i appreciate your effort for discussion.
As i said is not only about skills but also about politics (200s division+ is even worse)
Take a look guys how many rules you have created, for what? U think u own lobby, do you think you have some special right to play your limits, cause you are old regs and u are in the game for years? Get a reality, you deserve nothing. You think you have rights making all that silly rules to make a hell for talented/hard working new regulars to move up. In beginning of creating those groups you were arguing no games in poker are like that as hu sng, where regulars can move up and bumhunting straight away. Am telling you now no games in poker are as hu sng world, where newcomer has to be way better comparing to old regular, so he can be allowed to play also vs recreational players on higher limit. You are bringing injustice and negativity to our games. Do you realize poker is all about recreational having fun and gambling illusion they can earn dollars fast? Poker needs big stories, big players as greenie is. How can someone being really talented making from 3 usd to 500usd in hu hypers when he has to deal wit all those rules and playing strictly regulars for thousands of games. His skills might do it but can he survive variance? Oh yea old reg will offer him a stake, oh yea here u go, another piece of cake for old regs. What about a really talented micro zoom player. Sure he can have aggressive bankroll approach with shots of 20 buy ins and move up straight to top without politcs. Someone might think that divisions pushing regulars from other games out. Nah only weak, average regulars and recreational players have second thoughts, good regulars do not care about and will make it anyway.
I know is hard to make solution which will satisfy everyone. I believe you have to simplify your rules. System as it now, does harm almost to everyone. Do you know what are direct cost of holding good sitlister back with your politics. Rake for 4000 games at 100s is 15 000 usd. So at least 15 000 usd. That are cost for reg community here. Indirect cost are even higher, cause u are grinding for lower or in many case for negative hourly
, while you could play better reg/recreational ratio for higher hourly
System should be dynamic and simple. Anyone from lower limits should be able to request hu4rollz higher guy for 1000 games. Winner has right to open sit 100s. Instead of pumping rake to stars you can put money in side bets. Many times division regulars have poor hourly cause they are sit by weak sitlisters. Yea they beat them, but really there is not a lot of money in battling regulars. Why not to create hu4rollz system, where better regulars can actually win a lot money in reg wars and keep good hourly. Cause is about politcs, and not only about skills
And also think how much popularity of hu sng would increase with having constant hu4rollz. All that personal wars, side bets, jokes on forum and so on...