Hi,

ive started with a little roll on hyper hus again this year. Ive been playing them for quite a while up to 30s on stars. Left the game when ive been forced to join the "Cartel" back in 201?... i dont know

Some of you may know me... at least ive recognized some of you

Over the years it looks like strategy has shifted towards a limping strategy. At least ive seen it a lot and it was a little tough to play against to be honest (maybe just caused by card distribution but yeah ... maybe i suck against it


Im just wondering where that came from and if its a sustainable winning strat. I know back in the days there was only 1 highstakes limping player (dont know but was it primordial?) so it seems reasonable that this could be a thing. As ive said ive been out of buiseness for a while


So if any1 could update me on that it would be great. Will be activ in this forum in the future and may help as well.

Best regards
lx4dr

You still want to minraise your top range. I think, that limping 100 % will cost you some EV.

The advantage of limping is, that you have a higher stack to pot ratio. People play worse in limped pots (some of them may be thinking - yeah, it's just 2bb in the middle, I don't care about it...). Also you will give villain opportunity to make a mistake - he might just ISO too wide, because he gets tilted, that you limp a lot and take the pot down fairly often.

The downside is, that you give him a chance to realize his equity for free. And also it's harder to get the money in (full stacked), because of stack to pot ratio being higher as opposed to raised pot.

There is no definite answer whether limping/minraising is better. Because there will be opponents vs whom I will minraise even at 11 bb's. Then there will be oponents, against whom I might limp AK 25bb's...

So I would limp some, raise some and then cbet a lot, barrel a ton and you should be good to go.

So I noticed this when I returned to heads up hypers after a long break. I have done a lot of research into this including making my own spreadsheet to work out shoving ranges vs min raises and limps for every integer blind stack size for these.

basically if Sb min raises too much BB can jam very wide profitably and thus it becomes suicide to min raise a large part of your range against a decent competent player who would know this and start exploiting you with lots of shoves and 3 bets.

Of course if your playing people that dont re raise min raises or 3 bet often then min raising a large part of your range would be okay against that sort of villan.

basically most of your hands should be limped and a small proportion min raised until you get short stacked then you should be using a mixture of limps and shoves.

of course it really does depend on who you are playing eg at 25 bb it would make sense to 3 bet not 3 bet shove with pocket AA vs a min raise. However i have found players who will min raise most of their range and call of as any two cards above 10 eg Q10 J10 etc any K5+ suited any ace hand any pair (you should never fold a pair pre in heads up hypers no matter what but just saying their range) and any suited connectors. against this sort of villan if I have KK or AA etc I do not 3 bet I just jam all in.
against a more competent player eg someone who actually knows what they are doing I would try to 3 bet a size that seems to give them to good odds to fold but enough to be building the pot significantly and getting them to put a lot of chips in.

GTO minraise at 25bb is ~45%. GTO 3bet at 25bb is ~24%. The vast majority of players do not 3bet that much, and they 3bet too strong of a range leaving their flatting range too low equity. While a very high limp strategy is not -EV, a high minraise strategy is better exploitative vs any population of players I've ever seen. Of course, as Vvvv said, there are specific players where a lower minraise/higher limp strategy is better.

GTO folds a good amount more to limped cbets, so I think the intuition that guys are folding more doesn't automatically result in more edge. I still think you are probably right though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yInJ...l=stjaniheitir this is the man who invented the HU limp

Cog diss had a training vid against another reg, think it was chemiztry or a name like that and he limped him to death, like a death by a 1000 cuts. The tilt was real.

Remember the video clearly as cog diss vids were so different because of his limping strat.

Might be selective memory but I do remember it that way

This is accurate.

yeah it was cog

which small proportion do you want to minraise? often i see limping players openraisen their toprange, which is so xploitable.... same with these small 3bets on monsters, dont forget to balance that as well

i mr most of my range with balanced limps, especially against agressiv isoraisers.

its interesting how gto shifted the game from limping is for loosers to limping is for cracks ^^

thx for info on the gto numbers did research on my database and im about 3betting 22-23% 20+ eff bb ... also thought it would be less...

https://gyazo.com/9ec7642e85f73d03f3ed7e7e877e409d



im quite balanced i guess. can anyone xplain the number under the hands? cant figure it out... some sort of frequency?

thy for helping... hope i didnt expose myself too much and therefore get crushed in future games