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 Upset Villain Head scratching hero.. Easy game right?  Upset Villain Head scratching hero.. Easy game right?

03-09-2011 , 04:16 AM
Full Tilt Poker $10 + $0.50 Heads Up No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t10/t20 Blinds - 2 players
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BTN/SB: t3132 156.60 BBs
Hero (BB): t2868 143.40 BBs

Pre Flop: (t30) Hero is BB with A J
BTN/SB raises to t40, Hero raises to t169, BTN/SB calls t129

Flop: (t338) 3 3 A (2 players)
Hero bets t20, BTN/SB raises to t398, Hero calls t378

Turn: (t1134) 6 (2 players)
Hero bets t20, BTN/SB raises to t690, Hero calls t670

River: (t2514) 2 (2 players)
Hero bets t20, BTN/SB folds

Spoiler:
Final Pot: t2514
Hero wins t2514



I had won 2 matches in a row against this opponent.

He was a typical 2x raise on the button c-bet guy, that hated, I mean hated non-standard play which I had no choice but to dish out a big helping of.

I was very aggressive against him. My read was he had enough of me at this point in the match and was looking to snap me off with a real hand but didn't want to play back light.

We were verbally bantering in the chat box.

He told me "I was Fu++ing luckbox." I responded "how do you think I keep winning these? I always seem to hit cards. Easy game right?" This upset him even more.

I still am scratching my head on this hand. I think I extracted maximum value but am curious as to what you all think.

Last edited by Honey Badger; 03-09-2011 at 04:17 AM. Reason: I never put this guy on a 3 possible yes but very unlikely
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03-09-2011 , 04:23 AM
post it in BBV
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03-09-2011 , 04:32 AM
shove turn
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03-09-2011 , 04:35 AM
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Originally Posted by cdog
post it in BBV
Your missing the point. I want comments on the line not the result.

Secondly, How would the 2x cbet guys all so common around here adjust to my line to try to exploit me.
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03-09-2011 , 04:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Rounder16
shove turn
I don't think he callsa shove. I still have no clue what he had. Why wouldn't you just call the 20 unless you had something so bad you did't want me to see.

Even a hand like KQ has some equity.
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03-09-2011 , 04:55 AM
U want comments on the line? The line is ******ed as ****
Post ur screenname
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03-09-2011 , 05:05 AM
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Originally Posted by t1lt
U want comments on the line? The line is ******ed as ****
Post ur screenname
What is wrong with the line?

Min raise, donk bet half pot villain folds is better? That's the way to get the chips.
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03-09-2011 , 05:37 AM
hand worth posting, right?
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03-09-2011 , 10:44 AM
Wait, is this the reason why you consider $10s are much softer than $20s?

Else, what is the point of this thread?
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03-09-2011 , 10:53 AM
bet 40 on the river imo
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03-09-2011 , 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Honey Badger
What is wrong with the line?

Min raise, donk bet half pot villain folds is better? That's the way to get the chips.
if you think your line is right don't post asking people to comment on it

you may have extacted decent value this time, but thats being a little results orientated, keep playing like this and see how your money slowly vanishes
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03-09-2011 , 11:32 AM
thats why I asked his screenname , to see his trainwreck graph
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03-09-2011 , 12:10 PM
This may make perfect sense if we saw the entire HH with this guy and the craziness that ensued after 3 rounds of playing each other but as a standalone with just a few sentences of reads it doesn't look very good.

Does make it seem like a brag. Glad it worked out.
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03-09-2011 , 12:32 PM
@ ppl saying his line is bad. get out of your box.

edit: not you t1lt, ur kinda a moron. If you broke out of your box you'd prob be awful. You're probably better off trying to cookie cut a 2+2 style to maximize your winnings.
FWIW I don't like the river lead, I think he spazzes more vs a check
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03-09-2011 , 02:44 PM
saying line is bad isn't playin inside the box, the reads op posted give us no reason to think villain will spazz over the minbets, in fact he even says:

" My read was he had enough of me at this point in the match and was looking to snap me off with a real hand but didn't want to play back light."

may have given op respect if he wanted to discuss this strategy and when it could be implied and vs what opponent, but to just post the hh and say "hows my line" is obv just gonna invite a bunch of ppl to call it stupid. Maybe if he said he was basically pretending to have an underpair to the ace and was trying to induce a bluff and is this a good idea or should i just bet for value giving the dynamic? would have gotten a better response.
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03-09-2011 , 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by chadders0
saying line is bad isn't playin inside the box, the reads op posted give us no reason to think villain will spazz over the minbets, in fact he even says:

" My read was he had enough of me at this point in the match and was looking to snap me off with a real hand but didn't want to play back light."
"He was a typical 2x raise on the button c-bet guy, that hated, I mean hated non-standard play ..."

seems like a reason to me
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03-09-2011 , 03:14 PM
I got most of what I was looking for in this thread. Thank you. It confirms exactly what I was looking to find out.

Last edited by Honey Badger; 03-09-2011 at 03:22 PM. Reason: the line was perfect! Problem is i had no read on where i was at.
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03-09-2011 , 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by chadders0
saying line is bad isn't playin inside the box, the reads op posted give us no reason to think villain will spazz over the minbets, in fact he even says:

" My read was he had enough of me at this point in the match and was looking to snap me off with a real hand but didn't want to play back light."

may have given op respect if he wanted to discuss this strategy and when it could be implied and vs what opponent, but to just post the hh and say "hows my line" is obv just gonna invite a bunch of ppl to call it stupid. Maybe if he said he was basically pretending to have an underpair to the ace and was trying to induce a bluff and is this a good idea or should i just bet for value giving the dynamic? would have gotten a better response.
You bring up the last thing I am trying to find out is playing what I call the "drunk monkey style", i know villain is looking to fist pump snap the idiot off is this enough hand strength to call these big bets with?

I don't put this guy on a 3. Sure anything is possible but this is very unlikely based on our history. I admit at the time I was concerned i ran into a set but then he folds for 20 chips!!!!!!!!!!!! first time in the match I thought WTF? I glad I won a braggy looking hand and clearly was in this guys head but calling the raise in this situation is what I want honest feedback compared to playing the hand faster.
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03-09-2011 , 03:23 PM
funny thing is, you probably call any kind of raise on the river right? Just fyi, if you do this, you're going to lose every single time, but yeah.
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03-09-2011 , 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted by alexDJI
funny thing is, you probably call any kind of raise on the river right? Just fyi, if you do this, you're going to lose every single time, but yeah.
Naw many villains of this type in this situation will just call the 20 on the river with a ok to weak hand with pot odd logic dancing in their head. A big bet on the river means top pair is usually beat and it's an easy fold knowing exactly where I am at.

My standard bet in this situation is 20 or 69 but i went with 20 to conserve a few more chips if villain shoved.
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03-09-2011 , 03:33 PM
in this spot i thought the minbet is to induce a bluff, as this is the case your will find yourself in a spot where you will pay off all better hands too, but i still don't think you should intend on folding to any river raise (you have no read where your at because of your line!), but since your mainly reppin underpairs here i expect villains range to include air, any ace, any 3 and a spade draw.
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03-09-2011 , 03:42 PM
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Originally Posted by chadders0
in this spot i thought the minbet is to induce a bluff, as this is the case your will find yourself in a spot where you will pay off all better hands too, but i still don't think you should intend on folding to any river raise (you have no read where your at because of your line!), but since your mainly reppin underpairs here i expect villains range to include air, any ace, any 3 and a spade draw.
Excellent point. Thank you. I really do value your posts.

I should re-phrase I generally won't call a huge bet on the river in this situation unless the drunk monkey has the villain "Berserking". I didn't have that read on this opponent which made me go back to the hand and think about what I was trying to accomplish. Maybe my line was more effective on really tilting this 2X c-bet take the chips dude he was.
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03-09-2011 , 03:45 PM
awesome thread 5 stars
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03-09-2011 , 04:30 PM
Woooahhhh, you were folding river?

I liked ur line because it's basically just like calling down, except you're inducing spazz from his huge range of air, with a hand that isn't vulnerable at all.
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