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11 hands in. I'd raised 4 buttons to 3x, he called twice. On both occasions he min donked flop. First occasion I folded to a oversized turn bet on v.wet and coordinated board, second occasion he folded to my flop raise on a semi-coordinated board. On his button he just limped and took min-bet stabs postflop.

PokerStars - $10+$0.50|10/20 NL (2 max) - Holdem - 2 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

BB: 1,460.00
Hero (SB): 1,540.00

Hero posts SB 10.00, BB posts BB 20.00

Pre Flop: (30.00) Hero has 6

Hero raises to 60.00, BB calls 40.00

Flop: (120.00, 2 players) 4

BB checks, Hero bets 80.00, BB calls 80.00

Turn: (280.00, 2 players) 9

BB bets 340.00, Hero calls 340.00

River: (960.00, 2 players) 4

BB bets 980.00 and is all-in

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10-07-2010 , 02:42 AM

MrGatito

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i call. that is a very weird way for villain to play the turn if villain in fact had a 9. Sometimes villain will probably show up with a 9 here but i would think it would be less than 50%.

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10-07-2010 , 02:43 AM

zachaser

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I don't know that he's ever bluffing here. I think you can fold. I think a turn raise is in order most of the time, probably a shove. If you think he's rarely overbetting as a bluff, then it's an easy shove on the turn.

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10-07-2010 , 03:19 AM

RuneSky

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Originally Posted by zachaser

I think a turn raise is in order most of the time, probably a shove.

This is a fairly standard spot for me to call against a random. We're felting against a 9 or better no matter what I do. There's no strong draws that he can be bet calling with. I rarely see randoms bet calling a 6 or 4 like this. Well maybe a six but there's only one six left in the deck. I'm losing value against pocket pairs 77+ when an over hits but he's more likely to be bluffing here and the only way i'm getting more then is if he keeps bluffing.

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10-07-2010 , 03:39 AM

Omgadnowai

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Originally Posted by RuneSky

Hero raises to 60.00, BB calls 40.00

Flop: (120.00, 2 players) 4

BB checks, Hero bets 80.00, BB calls 80.00

Turn: (280.00, 2 players) 9

BB bets 340.00, Hero calls 340.00

River: (960.00, 2 players) 4

BB bets 980.00 and is all-in

How do you even fold this hand ?

You turn a boat, I'm not remotely sure how you can get away from this.

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10-07-2010 , 04:03 AM

miniwiz

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i'm snapping,if he donked overbet the turn with a 9,oh well.

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10-07-2010 , 04:21 AM

Lespar

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Yeah i can't see him checking the 9 on the flop, it's a tad vulnerable. I think it's more likely that he's got a 4 or 6 or small pocket pair, or stone cold bluffing (missed draw?) than it is that he has a 9. Not to mention the odds you're getting aren't too shabby.

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10-07-2010 , 05:04 AM

Dudesome

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ez snap

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10-07-2010 , 05:12 AM

Arsenal Gunners

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Villains do this with enough 4x and even Ax at this level to make a call profitable.

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10-07-2010 , 05:25 AM

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NWJim

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I mean against most villains I would say this is a snap call, but I have played against some villains that are so straight forward that they literally bet when the hit and check/fold when they have nothing. That said I don't understand why he didn't just donk flop if that's his style. When a lot of things don't make sense in a hand, it is generally a bluff, i call.

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10-07-2010 , 06:04 AM

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FishFishFish

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I would probibly call against most people, i dont see him doing this with a 9.

If villain was really bad, could he have an overpair like KK/AA many times? A "trap" gone wrong and got insecure when the second 9 hit the turn?

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10-07-2010 , 08:42 AM

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HardcoreGamer

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I had a similar hand against a super passive player last night and was convinced he had the better boat when he suddenly went wild on the turn and river.

I had 760 chip left at the river, he bet 700 and there was already 700 in the pot. I tanked and typed 'man, I can't fold this'. Pushed my chips in and he folded! 2160 in the pot and it was 60 for him to call and he had to fold because of my massive tell.

Imagine folding a 2160 pot for 60 chips.

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10-07-2010 , 09:08 AM

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MrRunsGoood

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I would just shove turn. Sure we lose if he has a bluff or something, but were stacking him with a 9, or any pair/draw that feels commited after his ******ed turn bet - plus the pot is pretty big as is so whatever.

As played I'd call river cause I think he's fos a good %.

Also - kind of a side note - but the mindonk flop and bet large on the turn is a common fishy line I've ran into. It seems like they probe the flop to see if your strong and if you dont raise/just call, they make a good sized turn bet. Be careful bluffing these flop donks too much, but take advantage of them by calling the flop with a strong hand and raising there strong turn bet.

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10-07-2010 , 09:37 AM

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TrololoNoob

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call turn.

snarp river. so rare to see 9x play the turn like that.

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10-07-2010 , 12:55 PM

#15

JSpazz

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Originally Posted by zachaser

I think a turn raise is in order most of the time, probably a shove. If you think he's rarely overbetting as a bluff, then it's an easy shove on the turn.

results oriented imo, there are exactly 5 cards that can come and counterfeit our hand (that's 4 if villain is holding one of them)

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10-07-2010 , 01:34 PM

#16

toddw8

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Originally Posted by RuneSky

You answered your own question here. Call the river for the same reasons you called the turn.

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10-08-2010 , 05:38 AM

#17

2hotty420

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Originally Posted by HardcoreGamer

Even the thought of that makes me feel sick!

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10-08-2010 , 11:15 AM

#18

Doug

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if he donks 9 turn like this he's likely to play flop differently than chk call, not all the time but a decent % imo. In addition, this only very small thing, but him lead folding semi co-ordinated brd would suggest he's slightly less likely to lead draws on flop I think. But whatever my reads Im not folding anyway.

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10-08-2010 , 03:56 PM

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SoulAndBone

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I definitely shove the turn.

If he's got trips you have the boat, nevermind the river result, because you should have jam the turn.

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10-08-2010 , 04:21 PM

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BetMagicMoney

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i play it the same.

I puke call the river, its sicking if he has the better boat but i think he does this with 4x enough to make calling right!

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10-08-2010 , 04:30 PM

#21

PlayerLT

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Never shove the turn! This only forces him to throw out bluffs and draws, which continue bluffing on the river. I would play this hand the same as Hero.

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10-09-2010 , 04:55 AM

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Motown_RC

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Super easy call... I'd be baffled if villain didn't flip over a 6 or a 4 in his hand based on his turn donkaments.

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10-09-2010 , 05:06 AM

#23

Kraft

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sick hand
never folding in this spot

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10-09-2010 , 08:48 AM

#24

TrololoNoob

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Originally Posted by SoulAndBone

I definitely shove the turn.

If he's got trips you have the boat, nevermind the river result, because you should have jam the turn.

lmao, super results oriented. hero has tha nutz, needs no protection, villains range probably has a lot of airballs and draws in it. y would u shove?

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10-09-2010 , 12:07 PM

#25

Motown_RC

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Shoving turn is terrible.

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