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08-13-2012 , 06:24 PM
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, 10.5 Tournament, 10/20 Blinds (2 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

saw flop

SB (t1500)
Hero (BB) (t1500)

Hero's M: 50.00

Preflop: Hero is BB with 6, 7
SB bets t50, Hero calls t30

Flop: (t100) 3, 4, 10 (2 players)
Hero checks, SB bets t50, Hero raises to t140, SB calls t90

Turn: (t380) 6 (2 players)
Hero bets t160, SB calls t160

River: (t700) J (2 players)
Hero checks, SB bets t322, Hero ???
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08-13-2012 , 06:38 PM
Flop raise is bad, turn bet is bad.

I'd fold the river, its obviously the 1st hand and unlikely you'll have any history with him at this buy in level, so you'd just be guessing with 3rd pair.

Flop you should just call (could even just fold)
Turn you pick up showdown value against draws or unpaired high cards so you should just call.
As played fold river.
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08-13-2012 , 06:41 PM
Flop call is just so much worse than raising.
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08-13-2012 , 06:42 PM
No reason to bluff in the first hand,fold to flop cbet and let him take down this pot
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08-13-2012 , 07:25 PM
i like the raise if you have history not readless,
fold flop and river
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08-13-2012 , 08:16 PM
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Originally Posted by $$$
Flop call is just so much worse than raising.
Why? If he's a std. cbettor, you can float this to see how he reacts later streets. By ch/raising, you are accumulating the pot OOP with a gutter on a weird board texture and you can get yourself into a lot of trouble. I would rather lead than ch/r, saves more chips if we're going to face resistence.
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08-13-2012 , 08:46 PM
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Originally Posted by l'enfant
Why? If he's a std. cbettor, you can float this to see how he reacts later streets. By ch/raising, you are accumulating the pot OOP with a gutter on a weird board texture and you can get yourself into a lot of trouble. I would rather lead than ch/r, saves more chips if we're going to face resistence.
Exactly right, flop raise is so bad at this stage of the tournament.
Check call or fold would be my preferred plays, about 60/40 ratio.

The turn you should check most of the time, even after raising the flop as you get some good showdown value.

River is a fold due to the way hand is played and making the pot bigger, whereas if you check call the flop, check the turn you would only have to call a small bet on the river.
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08-13-2012 , 10:54 PM
^ clearly we are both students of Negreanu's small-ball poker!
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08-14-2012 , 01:09 AM
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Originally Posted by $$$
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, 10.5 Tournament, 10/20 Blinds (2 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

saw flop

SB (t1500)
Hero (BB) (t1500)

Hero's M: 50.00

Preflop: Hero is BB with 6, 7
SB bets t50, Hero calls t30

Flop: (t100) 3, 4, 10 (2 players)
Hero checks, SB bets t50, Hero raises to t140, SB calls t90

Turn: (t380) 6 (2 players)
Hero bets t160, SB calls t160

River: (t700) J (2 players)
Hero checks, SB bets t322, Hero ???
this is exactly the loose aggressive play that you used against me in the 2+2 HU mtt.

Anyway , 67o oop , tons of cips, I would still fold pf a decent amount of time (always).

Flop reraise has some merits (villain raised pf so he may not have many undercards in his range , though no reads on him). Still I would just fold flop.

As played I would give up on turn. River is a fold imo , he bets under half pot so he gives you some odds to call , looks like a valuebet to me.
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08-14-2012 , 06:17 AM
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Originally Posted by l'enfant
^ clearly we are both students of Negreanu's small-ball poker!
Not even small-ball its just standard for the first few hands HU when you have no reads, so many people get worried about losing the first hand and going behind their opponent but there's no reason to spew of half your stack with 3rd pair.
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08-14-2012 , 06:41 AM
if villain posted that hand, he would be advised to snapfold anything that isn't TP+ or a flushdraw or 56. this says something about the average continuing range, at least from a reg, in this spot.

imo this is a play that is part of a completely balanced strategy, so it cannot be that bad readless: you have a board where you will be c/r for value with alot of strong draws and TP+ type holdings, so there is plenty of room for c/r weaker hands that have some equity but don't get the odds to flat.

even if this were a marginal play, you still have the benefit of getting information on his frequencies AND might get him to slow down with cbets, which is generally a good thing.
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08-14-2012 , 07:06 AM
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Originally Posted by ohly
if villain posted that hand, he would be advised to snapfold anything that isn't TP+ or a flushdraw or 56. this says something about the average continuing range, at least from a reg, in this spot.
I doubt it. I would advice villain that OP reraised/bet some fd/sd and gave up on river , so valuebet a 10 , J , 2pairs without fear.

I meant it looks like OP has some sort of draw on flop. If he had 10x or a big pp he would have reraised bigger.

t200 in the pot , OP reraises another t90. +EV to call his reraise with any fd/sd.

Turn makes it t160 into a t380 pot , with tons of implied odds / win the match this hand if he hits.

So what is villain thinking that op is representing ?
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08-14-2012 , 09:19 AM
I c/c the turn. And c/f the river to another big bet.

As played: Is the river a merge-spot for anyone? What about betting 225? I mean he bets the river alot with his pairs and his missed draws. And c/f is a little weak imo ...?
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08-14-2012 , 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by l'enfant
Why? If he's a std. cbettor, you can float this to see how he reacts later streets. By ch/raising, you are accumulating the pot OOP with a gutter on a weird board texture and you can get yourself into a lot of trouble. I would rather lead than ch/r, saves more chips if we're going to face resistence.
avoiding trouble is like trying to avoid rain. My advice, just carry an umbrella
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08-14-2012 , 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Thirst4AA
avoiding trouble is like trying to avoid rain. My advice, just carry an umbrella
hahaha
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08-15-2012 , 04:30 AM
What is a question?
Generate a 700 pot in the first hand with 3.pair.
This is how not to do
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08-15-2012 , 05:06 AM
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Originally Posted by ohly
if villain posted that hand, he would be advised to snapfold anything that isn't TP+ or a flushdraw or 56. this says something about the average continuing range, at least from a reg, in this spot.

imo this is a play that is part of a completely balanced strategy, so it cannot be that bad readless: you have a board where you will be c/r for value with alot of strong draws and TP+ type holdings, so there is plenty of room for c/r weaker hands that have some equity but don't get the odds to flat.

even if this were a marginal play, you still have the benefit of getting information on his frequencies AND might get him to slow down with cbets, which is generally a good thing.
Not one of your better posts, that's for sure.

Why in Buddha's name are you trying to balance 1st hand readless? May not look like it but that is a wet board, just wait for better spots, also this is not the optimal way to gain information. You are bloating the pot for no good reason. FPS me thinks.

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Originally Posted by Thirst4AA
avoiding trouble is like trying to avoid rain. My advice, just carry an umbrella
I just get my bitch to carry the umbrella, thus my hands are free to text on 2p2 stuff like this.

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