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08-03-2016 , 08:04 PM
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PokerStars - $0.92+$0.08|10/20 NL (3 max) - Holdem - 3 players
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Hero (BB): 26.5 BB
BTN: 18.5 BB (VPIP: 66.67, PFR: 33.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 4)
SB: 30 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 4)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 9 8

fold, SB calls 0.5 BB, Hero raises to 3 BB, SB calls 2 BB

Flop: (6 BB, 2 players) 2 6 3
SB checks, Hero bets 3.15 BB, SB calls 3.15 BB

Turn: (12.3 BB, 2 players) J
SB bets 5 BB, Hero calls 5 BB

River: (22.3 BB, 2 players) J
SB bets 18.85 BB and is all-in, Hero???
No reads at that point.
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08-03-2016 , 09:40 PM
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Ez fold.
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08-05-2016 , 02:46 PM
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without history of villain overvaluing hands or betting on 4-flush boards I have to fold here.

I have notes on players where they've played like this. villain had Kx5d and 3 diamonds on flop x/c turn was Kc and he lead/I call , river is K and he jammed. I had Ace high flush so I called but after I saw his hand I was like wtf? a 5 high flush? was that a attempt at a bluff?

so it is possible to have some weird play here but mostly not. muck it.

out of curiosity are you raising for value or as a bluff preflop?
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08-05-2016 , 04:22 PM
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To be honest with you, I don't hate the raise but i would check personally. The hand flops well, you're IP, so why not see the flop first? If he calls your pre-flop raise your beat more often than not.

Flop bet is good, sizing is fine. I'm slightly confused by what he actually bets this turn with. I don't think he has a really good flush, because he raises Ax or Kx I assume, pre-flop. I guess he could have QcX or TcX, but the rest of the clubs you beat. He doesn't have a full house because he doesn't bet a set on this turn.

Because of all that I'm actually tempted towards calling. Tight spot though, be interested to hear thoughts on the above?
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08-05-2016 , 06:43 PM
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Originally Posted by ChrisMurray817
To be honest with you, I don't hate the raise but i would check personally. The hand flops well, you're IP, so why not see the flop first? If he calls your pre-flop raise your beat more often than not.

Flop bet is good, sizing is fine. I'm slightly confused by what he actually bets this turn with. I don't think he has a really good flush, because he raises Ax or Kx I assume, pre-flop. I guess he could have QcX or TcX, but the rest of the clubs you beat. He doesn't have a full house because he doesn't bet a set on this turn.

Because of all that I'm actually tempted towards calling. Tight spot though, be interested to hear thoughts on the above?
we can't assume all Ax and Kx raise, a hand like Kc4x or even a hand as strong as Ac2x could easily limp here. We don't have any stats to make a legit assumption from.

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08-05-2016 , 07:38 PM
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we can't assume all Ax and Kx raise, a hand like Kc4x or even a hand as strong as Ac2x could easily limp here. We don't have any stats to make a legit assumption from.

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It's possible, but I think players are generally more likely to limp suited hands like that. Would sure be a bad play to limp K4o from his point of view here. I just think there are slightly more combos of hands we beat than the other way round in his range. But it is a close spot for sure.
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08-06-2016 , 12:16 PM
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Would sure be a bad play to limp K4o from his point of view here
No it's not. This deep your minr range should have more suited hands then off suit :P

As for hand, check back pre is a bit better. Bet flop bit smaller to induce more raises and light floats. Fold river.
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08-06-2016 , 12:59 PM
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No it's not. This deep your minr range should have more suited hands then off suit :P

As for hand, check back pre is a bit better. Bet flop bit smaller to induce more raises and light floats. Fold river.
Dude, I'm clearly going to have to take another look at my limping range then! I would just assume that any Ax or Kx hand has strong enough pair value to raise this short?
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08-06-2016 , 01:25 PM
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Weak Ax and most Kx does compared to folding, but not compared to checking back this deep.
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08-07-2016 , 02:29 PM
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I just auto jam all Ax against an SB limp when I'm in the BB 3way, even this deep,
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