No Limit Holdem Tournament
2 Players
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Stacks:
Hero (1,230)
BB (1,770)

Blinds: 20/40

Pre-Flop: (60, 2 players) Hero is BTN 7 7
Hero raises to 105, BB raises to 315...?

Effective stack is 30bb.

What is the general choice in this situation (without reads)?
When (stacksize) and why is it correct to 4bet-shove with mid PP+ (no reads)?

If this is a $1 tournament shove because he will call with really bad hands.

raise to exactly 777

reraise to 666

we have 7s not 6s....... facepalm

Raise to 555, and he will ship his 66 thinking they are good...

fold. most people on this level reraise like that only with a pokect pair. In this spot I usually go all in and face QQ.

And u have lots of reads on villain since blinds are already t20 t40. If he did not reraise like this preflop then its a fold.

Thx Pokerfun666, but Im looking for a default action, preferably mathematic answer for WHEN it´s right readless. I had reads in this specific hand, that´s irrelevant for what I want to know.

If he is THAT bad, we can use our edge in better spots that are going to be flips most of the time.

If this was hand 1, I'm folding all day. I'd get it in with 99+

But in this situation, reads dictate what happens with this hand, especially our raise size.

Oh, and there is no 'default' option. Every decision should be based on our opponents tendencies.

minraise pre imo.

Ok , same situation readless , like the math with no reads:

77 is like in the middle of all pocket pairs , like half are bigger and half smaller. But the pp villain would play liek this are most likely bigger than 77.

Villiain may be stupid or not , but he would reraise to t300 if he has a) a pocket pair , b) 2 face cards (more liekly AQ AK)

Against 2 face cards 77 is a coinflip with a small edge

Against 1 pocket pair , its a tricky one , cuz villain would not reraise 22 to t300 , he more likely has 1010+ so his pocket pairs are crushing 77

Adding this up:

if u call - tough to play 77 , unless u hit another 7 , any bet of villain (100% he will make a bet at some point) is a fold
if u fold - u lose t100
if u reraise - its an all in (either u go all in or u raise and villain goes all in , reraise and villain call its the same as if u call - u will lose the pot against any bet)

And all in is not that good (coinflips kind of suk - dont even pay the rake , and 77 against a bigger pocket pair is -EV).

But from my experience , even though people say 1$ players are ******ed , he would go all in with AQ , most likely he has a big pocket pair and he wants u to put the cips to see the flop.


In the special case of an extra ****** that does this reraise preflop with any hand , never ever accept a rematch cuz in the end u will end u tilted and beaten , and by all means , exploit the huge advantage u have over him.
Like see a flop with good cards and let him bet himself all in.

And by default min raise small pocket pairs preflop at small blinds , if u hit a set u make pot sized bets & stuff (but that is rare) and if u dont u fold. U dont need to raise big small pocket pairs cuz on average u will fold the pot.

+1

lmao this

I lol'd

OP, this is a super ez ship. flatting is no good, and ur equity is too good to fold here, mess around w/ pokerstove and it'll be pretty obvious why ur almost never folding PP's 30 bb's deep

Thx for the answers, (the serious ones).
Especially thx to Pokerfun666 who really made an effort trying to explain.

I will def. run it in the stove, thx.

I was hoping there was a mathematically optimal 4bet-shove w/ PP somewhere below halfstack, there probably is one (no reads), right?

i laughed

No, you are assuming plays exactly the same range. a tight passive or tight aggressive is going to have a ridiculously tighter 4bet calling range than a loose-agressive player. The only way we can figure out a mathematical approach is by applying calling ranges to villains, which require reads.

Why are we trying to take flips against $1 villains when we can outplay them with lower variance plays. I think you trying to overcomplicate this hand. If you are going to take an aggressive line, I much prefer a limp shove @ these effective stacks. If we get a horrible flop, we can get away cheaply when he checks behind.

Thx for clearifying that for me Jay_oh.

LOL...love th size


with 13bb or less u should be shoving....but this hand can be played in such different manners...i guess calling and be confident in you pfp

13bb? I wouldn´t hesitate with only 13bb