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Old 10-18-2012, 01:20 PM   #726
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Re: Scarer's WSOP 2012 Package - $18k+ UNPAID TO BACKERS - *Thursday payments reported*

That's a perma ban from all of 2+2 I assume?
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Old 10-18-2012, 03:08 PM   #727
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yes looks like it
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Old 10-18-2012, 03:19 PM   #728
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Very happy to see this, although he did pay his investors back (as he should, before the legal system caught up with him) there is no way he can be trusted on the forums given the way he conducted himself ITT.
Harsh imo.. He told you about the situation he was in where he couldnt come on and jeopdise getting his money(believe it or not is your call).. Im not saying he didnt handle it badly but a lifetime ban is over the top for a guy that paid everyone back in full and plans to compensate them.
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Old 10-18-2012, 04:12 PM   #729
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Dl184 you've said enough and no one gives a ****.
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Old 10-18-2012, 04:52 PM   #730
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Harsh imo.. He told you about the situation he was in where he couldnt come on and jeopdise getting his money(believe it or not is your call).. Im not saying he didnt handle it badly but a lifetime ban is over the top for a guy that paid everyone back in full and plans to compensate them.
Just give it a rest. Your run is over
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Old 10-18-2012, 05:42 PM   #731
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Just give it a rest. Your run is over
what? I'm allowed to voice my opinion...
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Old 10-18-2012, 06:28 PM   #732
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Re: Scarer's WSOP 2012 Package - $18k+ UNPAID TO BACKERS - *Thursday payments reported*

For someone who intended on always doing the right thing in the end(paying everyone back)his communication was so so bad.I don't get it to be honest(why did you just not update everyone daily?),because as bad as he was he did pay everyone back ,which many people in the past in his shoes have not done

No way should he be banned from 2+2 ,makes no sense at all.He paid everyone back!!!But he should be banned from the Marketplace(Just for the record I don't know the guy.I think I bought a %%% of him a while ago .That is it)
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Old 10-18-2012, 06:31 PM   #733
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I vote for him to be perma banned from this site.


the way he handled himself throughout this whole ordeal is shameful and ridic.
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Old 10-18-2012, 07:20 PM   #734
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Re: Scarer's WSOP 2012 Package - $18k+ UNPAID TO BACKERS - *Thursday payments reported*

Maybe a perma ban from the marketplace but from 2p2, not sure.. Obviously he handled this terribly, likely told (many) lies during the process etc but did end up paying all the funds which despite all the bad handling, lies etc shouldn't mean he is banned from 2p2, dunno if he even cares about that but just my opinion.
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Old 10-18-2012, 07:39 PM   #735
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Re: Scarer's WSOP 2012 Package - $18k+ UNPAID TO BACKERS - *Thursday payments reported*

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For someone who intended on always doing the right thing in the end(paying everyone back)his communication was so so bad.I don't get it to be honest(why did you just not update everyone daily?),because as bad as he was he did pay everyone back ,which many people in the past in his shoes have not done

No way should he be banned from 2+2 ,makes no sense at all.He paid everyone back!!!But he should be banned from the Marketplace(Just for the record I don't know the guy.I think I bought a %%% of him a while ago .That is it)
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ďYeah, I know itís not ideal that I donít pay people back for as long as possible, but Iím gonna pay eventually. Iím not stealing.Ē Really, dude?
http://www.philgalfond.com/lindgren-...little-advice/

this time the quote should be readable as i'm not trying to post using my cell phone. it's as if phil is commenting on this specific situation... and as usual he is spot on.
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Old 10-18-2012, 08:51 PM   #736
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Good read, thanks for posting that link
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Old 10-19-2012, 02:55 AM   #737
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Re: Scarer's WSOP 2012 Package - $18k+ UNPAID TO BACKERS - *Thursday payments reported*

just chiming in to note I still haven't been paid.. also haven't received a pm from scarer since 8-22.. I've communicated to him my Paypal info, not sure if he can still access old Pam's since he is now banned? Alternatively I can accept stars via a friends acct if necessary
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Old 10-19-2012, 02:56 AM   #738
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also vote that he shouldn't be banned from 2p2 but def banned from marketplace (assuming I do get paid eventually, seems somewhat likely since everyone else has gotten paid apparently)
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Old 10-19-2012, 06:11 AM   #739
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I followed this post for a long time. I was never owed anything, and forgive me for voicing my opinion here, but i do think its excessive to permanently ban him from the whole site. Before anyone hates me for posting this, i have been rolled many times in similar situations, it is disgusting i know, but i never once felt Scarer was planning to straight steal this money, he did of course put the investors through hell, and acted very inappropriately, so by all means remove him from Marketplace, but to completely banish him from the community, even though he did (Eventually) pay people back, is a little too harsh.
There's so many other examples of scumbags in poker, who actually do plan on stealing, with no remorse and seem to slip under the rader eventually by never communicating/running. Scarer, on the other hand, did 'FINALLY' pay people back, so he clearly isnt a 'theiving scumbag, etc etc' just an awful investment, with appalling money management and people skills. (Judging by this scenario alone)
Glad people got what they were owed though, and again, this is my own opinion, and im just talking from my own personal experiences with being cheated and robbed.

GL ALL
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Old 10-19-2012, 06:11 AM   #740
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Re: Scarer's WSOP 2012 Package - $18k+ UNPAID TO BACKERS - *Thursday payments reported*

Obv ban from marketplace. Not as obv, but ban from 2+2 as well. His communication (lack thereof), failure to accept ANY responsibility for his action and constant lies, who wants someone like that on the forums?

Sadly this whole experience probably means I'm going to stop backing in marketplace and revert to backing only people I know personally.

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Old 10-19-2012, 09:05 AM   #741
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Never investing through marketplace either.
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Old 10-19-2012, 10:43 AM   #742
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DahJinerat 2.0.. david needs ur stars sn or something to ship as he cant access his account. Cheers
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Old 10-19-2012, 10:54 AM   #743
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I followed this post for a long time. I was never owed anything, and forgive me for voicing my opinion here, but i do think its excessive to permanently ban him from the whole site. Before anyone hates me for posting this, i have been rolled many times in similar situations, it is disgusting i know, but i never once felt Scarer was planning to straight steal this money, he did of course put the investors through hell, and acted very inappropriately, so by all means remove him from Marketplace, but to completely banish him from the community, even though he did (Eventually) pay people back, is a little too harsh.
There's so many other examples of scumbags in poker, who actually do plan on stealing, with no remorse and seem to slip under the rader eventually by never communicating/running. Scarer, on the other hand, did 'FINALLY' pay people back, so he clearly isnt a 'theiving scumbag, etc etc' just an awful investment, with appalling money management and people skills. (Judging by this scenario alone)
Glad people got what they were owed though, and again, this is my own opinion, and im just talking from my own personal experiences with being cheated and robbed.

GL ALL
Well put.
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Old 10-19-2012, 11:26 AM   #744
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Sadly this whole experience probably means I'm going to stop backing in marketplace and revert to backing only people I know personally.
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Never investing through marketplace either.
Exactly why this kind of situation sucks, liquidity dries up and honest people miss out.

I am against banning him from 2p2 simply because I'd rather identify him as Scarer than have him make a new account and not know who it is.
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Old 10-19-2012, 11:42 AM   #745
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Exactly why this kind of situation sucks, liquidity dries up and honest people miss out.

I am against banning him from 2p2 simply because I'd rather identify him as Scarer than have him make a new account and not know who it is.
Yeah it's unfortunate that people will take this as a majority example of the MP, which it is NOT. Only back those with solid refs who have had successful BAPs on here before, common sense.

HE MUST BE BANNED - This type of behavior cannot be tolerated, his lack of communication, deflection of blame, etc was horrific and a person like David is not welcome on these forums.

Those of us who live in the MP, take this stuff very seriously. For those of you who just invest occasionally or only during WSOP, it's unfortunate you got a bad apple here. 2p2 cannot allow these types of people to continue to be apart of this community, it starts a trend of how behavior like this is tolerated.

In his case, I'm sure he got an I.P. ban, which is the safest way in preventing him from making new accounts. Although I'm glad he paid people back, people need to stop looking at it as though he did nothing wrong. We need to take note how he conducted himself, left his investors in the dark, had nearly $20K of investors money tied up as he grinded his way to pay back.

If he didn't pay back, it's fraud and a wise investor would press with legal action, something David would not wish to be a part of I can imagine. So we don't need to give him thanks for paying back, he needs to give thanks for letting it play out so long and not alerting the authorities.

All he needed to do was come in here, get on a payment play, admit he screwed up big time and make timely payments to his investors. Instead, he left everything in the dark, and luck boxed his way to paying his investors back. Why else would he hide his online names? Blocking every SN when it was clear he was playing (probably with investors money that was sent on Stars) as it was observed ITT by many.

I'm not sad to see him go, he is a high risk to this community, I'm sorry.
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Old 10-19-2012, 12:58 PM   #746
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Re: Scarer's WSOP 2012 Package - $18k+ UNPAID TO BACKERS - *Thursday payments reported*

I believe rrinker and Scarer had somewhat similar situations with similar amounts owed, they both got everybody(or in Scarer's case nearly everybody) paid back within a week of each other, and look how the situations are different because of communication.

Doubt we need Scarer on the forums anymore.
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Old 10-19-2012, 01:25 PM   #747
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I hope this was completed before Scarer was banned?
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just chiming in to note I still haven't been paid.. also haven't received a pm from scarer since 8-22.. I've communicated to him my Paypal info, not sure if he can still access old Pam's since he is now banned? Alternatively I can accept stars via a friends acct if necessary
Pretty ridiculous of whatever moderator banned Scarer without making sure and double checking that EVERYBODY was paid in full.

Could very easily have cost this guy his investment. Gladly it seems like he'll get paid in this case but this shouldn't be allowed to happen again.
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Old 10-19-2012, 06:47 PM   #748
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Re: Scarer's WSOP 2012 Package - $18k+ UNPAID TO BACKERS - *Thursday payments reported*

was me

I had misread and thought DahJinerat 2.0 had been paid in cash not had paid with cash.

When I realized my error I wasn't really too worried that the rest would get paid and he would then not pay off the last guy.

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Old 10-20-2012, 03:15 AM   #749
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I sent an email to his colquhan@hotmail.com address with payment details, hopefully will post a follow up when I receive payment. he is also unbanned on 2p2 according to rainbow warrior so if he didn't get the email he can pm me
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Old 10-20-2012, 05:10 AM   #750
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Cool post by scarer, idiot.
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