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Old 08-22-2012, 08:31 PM   #476
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Hope we never see him at another WSOP.
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Old 08-22-2012, 09:38 PM   #477
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Shoulda played those kings, Mike.
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Old 08-22-2012, 09:51 PM   #478
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Shoulda played those kings, Mike.
He has told the truth...by lying continuously.
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Old 08-22-2012, 10:25 PM   #479
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Hope we never see him at another WSOP.
Oh im sure that there are a few investors here that wouldnt mind bumping into him at some upcoming live events!
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Old 08-23-2012, 10:41 AM   #480
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If someone doesn't pay you NVG him at the very least so that he can't show his face again at a live tournament ever until he makes it right.
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Old 08-23-2012, 11:33 AM   #481
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re: Scarer's WSOP 2012 Package - $18k+ UNPAID TO BACKERS - *Thursday payments reported*

fwiw i received the same pm as posted ITT in post #466 yesterday ...

havent received anything yet and am rly glad its "only" 140$ or sth
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Old 08-24-2012, 03:41 AM   #482
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BUMP

bottom of page 2 in staking :-/

should be top in NVG
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Old 08-24-2012, 06:06 PM   #483
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It seems to me that investors in this thread need to be a little but more ruthless in terms of outing this guy as a scammer and a thief. "How can we be ruthless when we don't know where he lives?" etc - of course I'm not talking about going and threatening him with physical violence, but the fact that this guy has just had to give a few lame excuses and stalls with regards to delaying payment to let everyone say "We'll wait before NVG", "No good outing him or he won't pay". I didn't invest in this guy and perhaps you might think I shouldn't be getting this involved, but someone summed it up correctly when they said that blowing this up is not about outing a scumbag (not entirely), it's about trying to protect the Marketplace, and more broadly 2p2 and Poker in general as a community.

Many a time I have wanted to stake people and have considered doing so on several occasions, but it is things like that that put me, and I'm sure many other people, off buying pieces of people over the internet. I know you will come at me with examples of all the successful staking transactions that happen here on a daily basis, and I am well aware of them - however, the main reason this needs to be blown up is to let other potential scammers and thieves understand that they won't be able to get away with misusing investor funds and then continuously stalling and being allowed to get away with endless delays. It will also let potential investors know that there would at least be a burden on those being staked to take responsibility with others' money lest they have their reputation damaged beyond repair.

My 2 cents.
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Old 08-24-2012, 06:09 PM   #484
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I received word that he had paid 3 people - hoping someone posts here to verify that.
could you or another mod or any well respected poster make an NVG post?

i'm not 100% sure if it's the right choice, but IMO it is. he doesn't even reply to this thread or anything and shrugs it off. needs more exposure to put some pressure on at least
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Old 08-24-2012, 06:41 PM   #485
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A couple thoughts about putting this on NVG.

First of all, there is the automatic assumption that it needs to be there, just because it's the busiest forum. NVG isn't for the latest thread(s) people think should get the most views. That said, some of these threads have been allowed in the past, and one for this might be as well. I just wanted to make the point that the Marketplace is the designated area for information like this, and the day may come when NVG mods say they don't want these threads there any more. The first place anyone on 2+2 should be going to check out someone they plan on staking, buying a piece of, etc., is the Marketplace.

Secondly, as for the continual posts about when an NVG thread will be started, and now asking for a mod or a well-respected poster to start one - why? Shouldn't this be up to an investor? If all the investors, the people that are directly affected by this, feel there is a better way to deal with this, then that's up to them. Does it really matter if an NVG thread is started today, tomorrow, or next week? Obviously this situation can't be allowed to drag on forever, and pressure needs to be put on OP, but I just find all the posts about someone else starting a thread to be a little silly. If you think a thread should be started, um, start one? But I'd suggest taking into account how the investors want to play this before you do.

Edit to add: Just had a look, and am quite surprised to see taikogod is an investor. It's not like you joined last week and have 10 posts; it makes a lot more sense for you or another poster who is directly involved to start a thread than a mod or someone else uninvolved IMO. If you think that's the best way to get your money, or if you've given up on getting it and want it out there, go ahead I guess.

OP, I'd suggest communicating with everyone ASAP, including posting ITT. This isn't going to get any better; going from past scammer threads that have been created, it's only going to get much, much worse.

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Old 08-25-2012, 12:09 AM   #486
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1. Didn't know NVG wasn't for these threads. Just assumed cause its always been mentioned and accepted it goes there

2. Someone mentioned that it'd be better for a big name to post it. Made sense cause it would gain more attention/interest.

I'm guessing you think it's better to keep quiet and not "expose" OP. care to explain why? Have you been following this situation? As an investor I've followed since the day it started and it's pretty obvious to me posting is better. It doesn't make sense to me for OP to have a lesser chance to pay back if more people know about it. He's obviously been well respected so I would think he would be more urgent to pay out if the community pressured him.

Haven't checked out who's an investor or not, but what do you guys think?
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Old 08-25-2012, 12:59 AM   #487
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It seems like you didn't read my whole post that carefully (it was kinda tl; dr), or maybe I wasn't clear. I've never said it should be kept quiet, nor that OP shouldn't be exposed. I just said that the investors should do whatever they think will help them get their money back.

But your post brings up something else that's been bothering me a little bit - there's been a lot of talk about how OP needs to be outed, exposed, etc., sort of like this is some big secret or something. What is this thread doing, if not exposing OP? Who's keeping anything quiet? Sometimes it's like people think if it's not in NVG, it doesn't exist. Yes, NVG is a busy forum, but where do people come to invest in players? Not NVG.

All that said, my last post was something of a rant. If you guys want to start a thread in NVG, go ahead. I was making more of a general comment about scammer threads in NVG. They've been permitted there, but it's really not where they belong, so no one should be surprised if they start getting locked up one day.

So anyway, do what you think is best, and we'll be keeping an eye on this thread. OP, FFS, get something done.
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Old 08-26-2012, 12:22 PM   #488
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so, can this thread title be changed to include his name and that he hasnt paid back yet. "no settlement" doesnt have the right ring to it. i am think more like "scammer" or "xxxx commints fraud ITT".


whats the new excuse? any PMs to investors?
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Old 08-26-2012, 02:18 PM   #489
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no, nothing lately
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Old 08-26-2012, 03:00 PM   #490
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My theory is that investors ITT will be paid, but the time frame could be far and between.

Scarer will pay when it's convenient for him to do so, i.e. when he's not busto and is somewhat comfortable finance wise. It's evident he does not have the funds to pay back investors, I'm sure they realize this now.

What he needs to do is simply come up with a payment plan, admit his mistakes and make timely monthly payments to his investors. It's my belief he is obv ashamed of whats happend and doesn't wish to admit he f'ed up/is a busto degen, hence the constant stall for more time.

Rinker had no problem admitting his mistakes (which could be seen from a mile away IMO) and is now on a payment plan and is paying back his investors, updating his MP thread, and staying in contact keeping everyone updated.
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Old 08-26-2012, 06:49 PM   #491
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My theory is that investors ITT will be paid, but the time frame could be far and between.

Scarer will pay when it's convenient for him to do so, i.e. when he's not busto and is somewhat comfortable finance wise. It's evident he does not have the funds to pay back investors, I'm sure they realize this now.

What he needs to do is simply come up with a payment plan, admit his mistakes and make timely monthly payments to his investors. It's my belief he is obv ashamed of whats happend and doesn't wish to admit he f'ed up/is a busto degen, hence the constant stall for more time.

Rinker had no problem admitting his mistakes (which could be seen from a mile away IMO) and is now on a payment plan and is paying back his investors, updating his MP thread, and staying in contact keeping everyone updated.
This is dead on imo.
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Old 08-27-2012, 09:35 AM   #492
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so, can this thread title be changed to include his name and that he hasnt paid back yet. "no settlement" doesnt have the right ring to it. i am think more like "scammer" or "xxxx commits fraud ITT".


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Surely it's time for at least the above to happen?
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Old 08-27-2012, 12:45 PM   #493
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I joined 2+2 to do some small time staking(have done plenty with no problems) online,nothing major,think biggest $160...... this has totally put me off,like nobody gives a donald this guy has done one with thousands,he certainly doesnt think its a big deal,I wont be staking anyone (nobody really cares I know) again.
This has been handled horribly.
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Old 08-27-2012, 01:28 PM   #494
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I joined 2+2 to do some small time staking(have done plenty with no problems) online,nothing major,think biggest $160...... this has totally put me off,like nobody gives a donald this guy has done one with thousands,he certainly doesnt think its a big deal,I wont be staking anyone (nobody really cares I know) again.
This has been handled horribly.
You're right, nobody in this thread cares that OP has stolen money .
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Old 08-27-2012, 01:34 PM   #495
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I joined 2+2 to do some small time staking(have done plenty with no problems) online,nothing major,think biggest $160...... this has totally put me off,like nobody gives a donald this guy has done one with thousands,he certainly doesnt think its a big deal,I wont be staking anyone (nobody really cares I know) again.
This has been handled horribly.
I understand your frustration but people like this guy are the exception. Also its simply not true to claim that noone gives a damn what happened with his funds, perhaps u should re-read the thread and notice how much criticism hes gotten over this. Most packages in the mp go smoothly and people like this guy who scam have their reputation ruined forever so just keep that in mind before u just denounce the marketplace altogether. Either way, situations like this are really unfortunate and i hope it works out for u and all other investors
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Old 08-27-2012, 01:56 PM   #496
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2+2 Negative Feedback thread


Scarer - 2+2 stakeroller/scammer
Scarer - PokerStars
colquhan@hotmail.com - email used to make Lock payment
David Kilpatrick
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Hi guys,
I'm selling up to 65% of the following WSOP package at a markup of 1.25
A Little About Me

My name's David Kilpatrick and I'm a 32 year old guy from Glasgow, Scotland, and I've been playing poker for over six years. Prior to becoming a poker pro three years ago I was in the British Royal Air Force for twelve happy years, however, I like money, the grind beckoned and I answered.
Twice he posted that he turned down an offer by a friend/acquaintance to make payments for him.

60 days of stalling and lying about his travel and payback intentions.
Lied about his PokerStars account being locked.



Amounts Owed

Theding87 - 3,156.50
Schundler - 872.74
TimeStone - 872.74
Scusi - 1090.92
Xdanielx - 398.87
Pvt Investor (Ritchie) - 872.74
Wd1head - 872.74
Taikogod - 872.74
Almito - 218.18
Tamas6 - 398.87
Beastjr - 872.74 **paid
Sergisergi - 872.74
Pvt Investor (Del) - 398.87
Chase poker - 218.18
Pvt Investor (Martin) - 654.55
Pvt Investor (Dean) - 654.55
The Sasquatch - 436.37
Bminty - 700
BackingDonk - 350
Luckyernio7 - 350
Pvt Investor (Ryan) - 1,497.48
3l3ftf33t - 1,949.35


**one person paid ($872.74) Aug 13
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I received payment today via Lock $ which is how I paid David originally.
Scarer's last 2+2 log in - Aug 22

PM received - Aug 22
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I've already paid 3 people back.

It's going to be days not weeks when everyone is paid back.

Bare with me.
No one else has acknowledged being paid.


(this thread retitled)
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Old 08-27-2012, 03:36 PM   #497
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He made seperate threads for individual events because the main package didnt sell out. So there is more people owed money than those on that list.

Im owed $187.50 from this thread: https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/18...taxes-1215594/.
Peanuts compared to what other people is owed, but i just wanted to point out that he also sold for events in this package in seperate threads.
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Old 08-27-2012, 04:36 PM   #498
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For guys like this, I think it is time for people to get more serious in putting the pressure on when the documented lying starts. The more people who scam see the investors taking serious action, the less some of the scammers might try to steal. Now, maybe this was an "accidental steal", but the responses are less than accommodating and forthcoming.

Bleeping Computers has a thread on "How to report fraud or cyber crimes"
http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/forums/topic382148.html

They provide a link to report CyberCrime in the UK

United Kingdom

http://www.actionfraud.org.uk/

For these large "rollings" get aggressive when they start lying, make a call to the local police. Even if nothing is accomplished on the LEO end, If the person sees the police involved he may stop taking holiday on your money and get more serious on payback. And when the police see these larger amounts in their hometowns, they may investigate and at least make sure these guys don't get off scott-free with your money and no repercussions except some poker players are mad.
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Old 08-27-2012, 04:57 PM   #499
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he made a mistake witht he numbers. amount owed is more

Missed The Following Events

#23, #36, #38, #44, #46, #50, #53, #54, #56, #59 and #61

Returns:
#23 - $3000
#36 - $3000
#38 - $1500
#44 - $1000
#46 - $2500
#50 - $5000
#53 - $1500
#54 - $1000
#56 - $1500
#59 - $1000
#61 -$10000
=$31000
*1.25
=$38750
+ $4887 (#21 cash)
=$43637

1% $436.37
5% $2181.85

also plenty action was sold via other threads
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Old 08-28-2012, 11:21 AM   #500
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If somebody gives me a total figure and I'll edit the title and feedback posts.
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