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Originally Posted by shaniac
I did miss you that said "10K HU" but I still think you paint things with a broad brush. Maybe it's "similarly ludicrous" but it's hard to see as "orders of magnitude" more.
It doesn't get more absurd markup wise than someone who isn't even a HU specialist sell to the $10K HU at 1.3. It's literally impossible to draw a profit for investors, or even close. There are a couple of those in Galen's package, but 1.3 for the $10K is leaps and bounds the worst investment I've ever seen. I think Galen comparing his package to Lind's is completely reasonable. While there are some bad value tournaments, some are extremely good value.
I completely understand where Galen is coming from. I would never invest in this package, but I can see why others are. Online results don't mean all that much when it comes to deep stack live events. I'd take Galen Hall in a $10K then a TON of other people with good online results.
The reason for the outcry about this package is simply just the non-standard high markups. Anything above 1.3-1.35 outside of the WSOPME seems to be frowned upon by investors, which is not correct at all. I'd rather pay 1.5 for an elite player in some $2K tournament in Florida than 1.2 to someone playing the $25K Bellagio or something similar. There seems to be this odd misconception by many people who buy pieces that there should be a set markup that you should never exceed. People got **** for selling to the WSOPME at 1.5-1.8, which is a much better by than paying 1.3 for an online grinder in the PCA $10K.
I don't think the market will change either way after this package. People will still see high markups and not take a piece. Others will continue to buy pieces a high premium for a magnitude of reasons. They may want a sweat, they may want to invest in a big name, etc. Right now I strongly believe we're at the valley of the marketplace, and that it will grow, especially if FTP funds come back etc. No matter what, MP will always be around and kicking.
I mean, people are still buying pieces of this package even after all of the flaming. What does that tell you? People want to invest in a very good player and have a big chance of having a huge return in their investment. If they want to invest their money, let them do it however they want. if Galen decides the only way selling action due to taxes is to sell at high markups, let him do it. It definitely feels like Galen is the scapegoat here. There are jus so many absurd packages in Marketplace right now. I could find at least a handfull of packages that are worse quite easily.
I am NOT against people posting their complaints about markup at all, though. They have as much right to complain as the seller has the right to sell at high markups. It's clear to me Galen was not malicious at all in putting up this package. Calling it unethical is just ignorant.
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tbh, takeaway your PCA bink and your live + online results are slightly above average at best.
Not that it matters too much, but this just is not true. He has over $1M in cashes even if you took away his PCA score. So with like $3.5 mill in cashes, tons of people saying he's an elite MTT player, etc. I'd think he's an elite player.
I wish I had "slightly average results..."
Last edited by CompleteDonk; 06-25-2012 at 04:55 AM.