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06-11-2010 , 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Russ Fox
I was asked to post in this thread regarding the procedure when you cash at the WSOP with backers. I wrote about this some time ago here and nothing significant has changed.

The US Tax Code does follow (in one respect) common sense: You are only responsible for tax on your income, not other people's income. That's why you issue 1099s to backers, so that John Doe is taxed on his income (and you are not).

The only withholding by a backer is when an individual notifies you on his or her W-9 that he's subject to backup withholding and/or your backer is from certain foreign countries (e.g. Canada). In these cases, you would be responsible for depositing the withheld funds with the IRS.

Hope this helps,

Russ Fox
Thanks for posting russ and clearing up
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06-11-2010 , 07:01 PM
Quaternion also coming up to sign papers tonight
Ezmogee and Noname will have to be at a later date
And the three shares under 5K payout im guessing stay the same?
Thinky pm me your name for online transfer
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06-11-2010 , 07:12 PM
George paid cash - waiting on papers to pay rest
thinky has been paid on ftp - under 5k
quaternion paid on FTP - waiting on papers for rest
Klink paid in cash -waiting on papers for rest
ezmogee wants cash but isnt around
noname bank transfer once i get home - up to him whether he wants to fill out forms with me or just take the taxed amount
birgit paid on ftp - under 5k
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06-11-2010 , 07:25 PM
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Originally Posted by mobills
walkmyline i have action in your other threads and would like my money refunded. this whole tax fiasco is just absurd and tbh your responses are just so naive it's sickening. You don't ask "big time gamblers" to give you money to play and then refuse to pay them their full share because you don't want to be associated with them.. the thought process of some people just blows my mind. Please send all funds back to bustable on ftp or jkidd1084 on ps or meet me in vegas and give me cash. Thanks
shipped back
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06-11-2010 , 07:26 PM
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Originally Posted by walkmyline
thinky has been paid on ftp - under 5k
Hey Peter, I appreciate the prompt payment but I would like to get my full share for reasons stated in this thread. I can fill out the required forms and fax/scan them to you. I just sent you a PM. We can take this offline instead of cluttering this thread. Thanks.

Last edited by Thinky; 06-11-2010 at 07:32 PM.
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06-11-2010 , 07:33 PM
Might be a good idea to sticky a Tax Info thread with some of the informative information on here for future people asking for a stake or looking to back people.
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06-11-2010 , 07:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Thinky
Hey Peter, I appreciate the prompt payment but I would like to get my full share for reasons stated in this thread. I can fill out the required forms and fax/scan them to you. I just sent you a PM. We can take this offline instead of cluttering this thread. Thanks.
No problem man, once the forms reach me the rest will come as said in PM. Anyone know the laws on under 5K piece? Does he even have to claim it? And if he doesnt I still have to id imagine, as its part of the whole?
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06-11-2010 , 07:38 PM
Peter,

I really wanted to resolve this issue offline but you seem to not understand that I have to report all my stakes/shares as part of my tax filing. I keep good records. You claim that under 5k does not have to be reported but I am pretty sure this is not true. You can verify that with your tax consultant.

I would like the full share amount and I do not see why you would have problems with me filling out the required forms and sending them over to you. This is obviously a mess but we could make it easier for everyone if we do what is RIGHT!

Thanks
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06-11-2010 , 07:42 PM
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Originally Posted by walkmyline
No problem man, once the forms reach me the rest will come as said in PM.
meh, with all due respect, this is not what you mentioned in the PM. I double checked to make sure!!! You just claimed that 5k does not have to be reported and that you will ask around!!
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06-11-2010 , 07:46 PM
I think Peter is ok on this one. I think he is fine in making sure the forms are sent and squared away before sending the remainder of the $.

Last edited by George Lind III; 06-11-2010 at 07:47 PM. Reason: If he said differently in pm that's different though.
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06-11-2010 , 07:49 PM
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Originally Posted by George Lind III
I think Peter is ok on this one. I think he is fine in making sure the forms are sent and squared away before sending the remainder of the $.
It is absolutely OK if thats what he said. But nowhere in the PM does he address this. I could post the PM if required but I am guessing a mod's permission or something would be needed.

I am not sure if you are saying that under 5k does not have to be reported.
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06-11-2010 , 07:51 PM
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Originally Posted by walkmyline
No problem man, once the forms reach me the rest will come as said in PM. Anyone know the laws on under 5K piece? Does he even have to claim it? And if he doesnt I still have to id imagine, as its part of the whole?
The law is the same no matter the size of the piece.
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06-11-2010 , 08:05 PM
Situations where its hard to tell if the person is an idiot or a scumbag are always very tough to make right. I'm glad this worked out and he finally came around. I thought about posting basically what CTS said but I don't think its right to intervene in other people's business.
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06-11-2010 , 08:14 PM
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Originally Posted by stealthmunk
Situations where its hard to tell if the person is an idiot or a scumbag are always very tough to make right. I'm glad this worked out and he finally came around. I thought about posting basically what CTS said but I don't think its right to intervene in other people's business.
Not everyone does this everyday, its confusing, and its not as simple as some make it out to be. All someone has to do is put the wrong social on any of these forms and im left holding the bag on the money owed. As I said in the beggining I wanted to make sure this was how this was supposed to work. Still on the edge and really dont understand it nor does my mom, but my uncle says the forms are correct Granted they get turned in and have right social on them (not insinuating anything, simply stating the truth) Cause if they dont im stuck holding the bag and on the hook. There are alot of concerns to digest in like 8 hours from having this sprung on you at the cage
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06-11-2010 , 08:21 PM
Kudos to walkmyline for apparently making things right. That doesn't excuse the fact that he drastically mishandled the situation and put undue stress on his backers.
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06-11-2010 , 08:31 PM
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Originally Posted by walkmyline
Not everyone does this everyday, its confusing, and its not as simple as some make it out to be. All someone has to do is put the wrong social on any of these forms and im left holding the bag on the money owed. As I said in the beggining I wanted to make sure this was how this was supposed to work. Still on the edge and really dont understand it nor does my mom, but my uncle says the forms are correct Granted they get turned in and have right social on them (not insinuating anything, simply stating the truth) Cause if they dont im stuck holding the bag and on the hook. There are alot of concerns to digest in like 8 hours from having this sprung on you at the cage
Yep, this is one of the reasons why I will not sell action to people I don't trust.
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06-11-2010 , 08:52 PM
hey peter, I dont know how we can actually meet up, but is there some way that I could mail you the forms? (obv before you send me the money..)

Personally, as someone who had financial interest in this whole thing, I think that some of the posters were being harsh, to say the least.

I basically feel along the lines of ezmogee's posts and I want to thank you peter for not getting mad and just doing the correct thing.
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06-11-2010 , 09:09 PM
Just got the rest of my money from Peter and the appropriate tax forms. Can say 100% truthfully that he had good intentions the whole time and genuinely wasn't looking to screw anyone over. Obviously it could have been handled better at the start but everything worked out in the end.
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06-11-2010 , 09:24 PM
does anyone know if futur stakers are entitled to a vig if he refuses to play the next events he already received the money for ?

I'd obviously understand if it was a health/family issue but I don't know what is the standard if the stakee made #4 in a event.
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06-11-2010 , 09:29 PM
I dunno what you're entitled to but I'd be perfectly happy with getting my $ back.
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06-11-2010 , 10:29 PM
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Originally Posted by pokerchap
this. would like money back too. have around $4k. PM'd you.
shipped back on ftp
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06-11-2010 , 11:29 PM
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Originally Posted by George Lind III
Just got the rest of my money from Peter and the appropriate tax forms. Can say 100% truthfully that he had good intentions the whole time and genuinely wasn't looking to screw anyone over. Obviously it could have been handled better at the start but everything worked out in the end.
yup this.
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06-11-2010 , 11:45 PM
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Originally Posted by klink10k
yup this.
Klink Jason paid in full cash information and forms in my possesion
George Paid in Full cash Information and forms in my possesion
Quaternion (chris) paid 70% FTP awaiting forms and info to release rest (coming by tonight, unless hes doing well in event hopefully)
Thinky paid 70% FTP untill forms and info are in my possesion

Noname5620 waiting on faxing of forms and his info so I can do bank wire
ezmogee see you in a few weeks with cash bud, and we can do paperwork when you get into vegas.

Thanks everyone for understading i need to figure this out before hand. Everyone was paid within 5 hours of cashing that is available at the time. And paid in full upon proper forms being filled out.

My concerns were simple and legit, all someoen has to do is not fill out any of the forms and im stuck holding the bag, even a simple wrong info on the form. Took my time, made some calls, figured it out with help from family cpa and some on here (thanks sub) and its all set now. Not everyone does this everyday and when you start signing forms it gets confusing to say the least.

CONGRATS TO US ALL ON MAKING SOME MONEY
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06-11-2010 , 11:55 PM
glad this all worked out in the end and was eventually handled it the correct way.


nice score/congrats to all the backers
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06-12-2010 , 01:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Zima421
glad this all worked out in the end and was eventually handled it the correct way.


nice score/congrats to all the backers
+1
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