Lol ..wtf thread....your gonna lie about a hand that mutiple ppl saw in a 10k event? Many of these ppl I'm sure told their freinds etc, some may have tweeted about etc. Wow, i'd recommend coming clean.

I assume OPs hand was turned over when they went all in?

That settles it.. lol OP...

Oh also I don't know if it matters at this point, but Josh how sure are you that the flop was rainbow rather than 2 spades? Bc Owais made a pretty big deal out of commenting on the two spades (saying the Q wasn't a spade) etc., which is also pretty ridic to just out and out lie... but yeah definitely seems like he's just trying to make his play seem less bad (shoving over a psb on a Q264r board when someone pots into you twice to stack off for 100bb is pretty bad imo).

I mean the hand doesn't seem too absurd... though if Josh sizings are right, the turn is a pretty clear call. but who cares? Wasn't even that big of deal. Had I bought a piece of you and posted that bustout hand I don't think it would have changed my opinion of you.... now making up HHs....

Yeah you're right I def agree that it's not like SUCH a bad hand and no one would have thought twice about it if he posted it as it happened. I'm just saying there's pretty clear reason to lie about it, especially as the play becomes less and less optimal based on changing details. I do want to know if the flop was rainbow, and if the blind levels were accurate (he reports 300 as the big, josh says 200) etc. I mean it's pretty clear he lied, but it's kind of interesting at least to know how far he went to create this half-truth (at best) to deceive future investors. Meh w/e maybe it doesn't matter anymore at this point.

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Good effort Bakes!

I'd say I'm 80% sure the flop was rainbow and then the 4 on the turn brought backdoor spades. I also remember his shove on the turn was ~16,000 not 20,000

the blind level was definitely 100-200 25a cuz i busted at that level after he did

sizings are definitely right on all streets give or take a few chips other than the river shove being for like 16,125 i think.

So dumb. And Bakes got me laughing btw, wp.

wow, Bakes, fantastic!!!

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lol at this thread.

soooo good lololololol

Owais runs pretty bad given that one of his investors for this event hosts a poker radio show.

Tomato wants to know why CSI Miami guy still has a pair of shades on after he takes them off.

I believe it's just to add emphasis to how much sunglasses there are in the awesomeness.
http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/csi-4-pane-comics

wow, you got leveled hard?

Or tomato double-leveled you harder?

Just curious. Is it obligatory or standard courtesy to report the details of your bust out hands in your marketplace thread? If he was at all embarrassed about how he busted, why didn't he just say 'sorry, busted day 1, thx for the support' and leave it at that. If detailing your bust out isn't the accepted etiquette, then it's even weirder that he posted a HH at all.

it's definitely not a MP obligation to post your bustout hand. Some do it out of courtesy, but most don't, especially when many tweet updates/bustout hands and what not.

This whole thing is absurd.

Hi everyone,

I tweeted at two players at the table but got no response. Someone on here said snowman said that hand was indeed pocket 2s. If that is so, then that's two players on the table saying the villain's hand was pocket 2s. If I was reading this thread as an observer, I would definitely think the bustout hand was pocket 2s.

The weird thing about all this is when I think back about the hand, I still see it the exact same way I described. From my point of view, I have not lied. Maybe it was the drinking plus whatever else happened the night before. Maybe that changed my perspective on the situation. I dont know, but thats not an excuse. I think back on the situation and I see the hand play in my head the same way. The funny thing is I even talked to a poker buddy about the hand before I posted it.

Its not an obligation for me to report anything on the tournament or a bustout hand - its a courtesy. I also have nothing to gain from lieing - busting a 100bb stack with Aces in a three bet pot is standard in today's aggressive no limit games. Coolers happen, its part of the game. Not only that, there were 9 other witnesses to the hand (and maybe a reporter or two observing form afar), why would I try to change the truth? Especially when I know there are other poker pros at the table that check 2+2?

Also, I don't feel embarrassed about busting out of a tournament that way - thats how I busted the 2011 Main Event. Actually, in that hand AFTER I busted, a reporter asked me what happened and I told him I busted with Kings on a Q 9 4 board vs a set of 4s on the turn. If I were going to lie and make up hands, I'd do it there.

I also busted Bay 101 with AK vs AK vs AA preflop on the money bubble with an above average money stack. That's the worst equity play in tournament poker history, so if I were to be embarrassed about something, there you go.

I guess in the end, I truly am speechless. I don't know how my recount of the situation was different than two other player's. I didn't try to be malicious, and maybe I got selective memory after the fact. I really don't know how this all went down, and I'm just as confused about this absurd situation as anyone else.

When we talk about embarrassing, this is the most embarrassing thing I've ever faced. I've always tried to hold myself as a true poker professional, and people who know me can attest to that. If the hand truly went down a different way than I reported, I apologize to anyone who read it. If the hand did go down another way, now you know I 3-bet with Aces on the button and shove the turn on a Queen high board.

I know there are going to be people who read this and laugh; some will probably make fun of it, others won't believe a word. Trust me, I'm already very embarrassed about this situation and I never intended on ever lieing. I'm putting myself out here, being as honest from the heart as possible, for those who want to listen.

I want to move past this whole situation but I feel the best way to always act in this business is to be open and honest. If you have any questions, please feel free to PM me.

Maybe in the future I will take a picture of my bustout hand and that way I won't run into this spot again.

Thanks for your time,

Owais

Holy jesus that post was long. I just re-read it and I want to re-iterate I am truly sorry that there are different accounts of my bust out hand and that this was ever an issue. If I did happen to get selective memory or whatever, that is 100% my fault and a personal flaw. I would like to thank a fellow 2+2er on keeping this forum honest and correcting my mistake.

Apologies once again,

Owais

I for one am shocked that someone of Owais' moral and upstanding character would lie in a way like this. (Oh wait, I'm not even a little bit surprised)

If you're going to accept money from others to play a tournament, I'd suggest changing this attitude, quickly.

Maybe I'm old fashioned but I certainly think being given money by someone to play a tournament entitles that person to know how their money was used.

Duly noted sir. Thank you for that suggestion. And you're right - investors like to know and I always try to tell them. In this case, I told them wrong and I'm trying to clear the air.

+1

Posting hands shouldn't be standard by any means