qft....

there should be no award or appreciation for doing the right thing although it sure feels like a reward since at some point you considered it a loss

yeah im done investing in this forum as well, 60k later and a marginal profit but overall a huuuuge waste of time

I am not sure what the verdict will be but people like OP deserve to be banned from selling in the future. Maybe not a permaban but at least 6 months for the apparent lack of understanding of how the marketplace works and the brazen arrogance displayed in this thread. The fact that he relented only after references to his personal info etc is very telling.

I would really appreciate a mod would chime in so that we can figure out ways to improve the marketplace.

Glad I could be part of the above...

Big shame that a few rotten apples spoil it for the rest of us...

OT

And all of your posts in this thread have displayed what an ignorant moron you are. All of your theories are baseless, wrong, and pretty much f'ing stupid. I didn't send back right away because I spent the last several days grinding up a roll - that happened eventually, coincidentally today.

It's weird to me that people send money to total randoms, and then when they get obviously scammed they ask for the money back. He's a scammer, he keeps the money he gets from you.

There was no scam, just overreaction.

What if you weren't able to grind up the money? What would this have been called then?

This guy should just be banned from 2p2. Holy **** what a piece of ****

0.000000001% chance I wouldn't have been able to grind up the money, so it's irrelevant and not an issue especially considering I made enough money the past several days to pay back the investors as well as leave myself with a roll.


Yeah, what a POS - I sold action, I lost some money, I made back the money, I paid back 100% - SO ROTTEN!

haha you're insane. i mean like legally.

This is about intent, not the eventual outcome of the situation. What do you call playing your last prelim and then over a month later you still haven't refunded the monies to the investors. What is your word of choice for that description.


I've had people that paid me back and others that haven't. Some took a week and others over 3 years. Some for a hundred and others for several thousands. It doesn't matter which they were in both categories.

The difference to me is that I dislike those less that paid me back depending on the time that it took and the manner in which they conducted themselves throughout.

The one thing they all have in common regardless is that they are cheaters/theives/scammers. Whether or not there was intent to do so from the beginning is mute. It means nothing. At some point there was a fork in the road / a tough decision to be made and the selfish path was chosen.

ban plz(from marktplace at the least)

You can't just win because you need to win. You have to know that you could potentially lose. Regardless, you freerolled others money to pay back everyone and to leave yourself w/ a roll to play w/. That in itself is a scam.

There were like 4 weeks in between when you played your last prelim and the main event. At some point you knew that you weren't going to play it and had free/interest free money to play w/ while the backers money wasn't working and basically loaned for free w/out there knowledge and only left to be at potential risk. That's a scam.

Again, if you had lost the money, all of it grinding your game that you crush, and left unable to pay investors, what would you have considered this situation?

lol, I know better than to get into a war of words with an ungrateful POS like you. But just so people know, Remember how I gave you a second chance in spite of having my own doubts. I was stupid to even entertain the thought that you can be trusted again. Just for the record, OP(disgusted to even call this POS by his screenname or real name) overslept a few tournaments from his SCOOP package and I had already bought both his SCOOP package and WSOP package. I was very close to backing out from his WSOP package but figured he was still a good investment and would change his ways. He also pm'ed saying

"There's no way I'm gonna miss an event that has as high a buy-in as the WSOPs. No doubt I've been irresponsible, and with as bad as I feel for missing these tourneys, I'll make sure it doesn't happen again.

I'm sorry I've given you reason to doubt me. I won't miss anymore tourneys, but if you want your money back, I'll ship it back no problem"

I was naive and will not repeat this mistake. In retrospect, it was a bad decision by me to not ask for my money back. So fckn pissed at myself right now for wasting 10 hours trying to deal with this POS.

You used the backers money for something else than what it was shipped for then you had the money there to pay back but didn't gtfo

I back people - in fact, it is sort of my job.

Even after strict interviews, gathering recommendations, asking all of the right questions, knowing everything about the person, and literally doing whatever possible to avoid these sorts of situations, there are still people that are going to steal money, do shaddy stuff, and make you want to pull your hair out. Sending money without doing all of the above, in my opinion, is insane and begging for problems.At the very least, in my opinion, you should do all of the above before investing in someone AND understand that you will lose a portion of your investments because people steal money. If there is away to avoid this, I would love to know.

Wow, you're seriously an idiot. Or do you think you have a better grasp of the ethically correct decisions than people like cts et al who are smarter than you, have made more money in poker than you, and have more experience dealing with these situations than you? I'm genuinely curious.

For the love of God, stop posting... You're doing nothing to help your case...

OT

Yes, but that was the response I was hoping he'd have. Sometimes are actions can be forgiven, but this type of attitude is difficult to recant.

He doesn't understand basic principles that are essential to have in our community. I'd rather he continue to hang himself so that he can't commitment such actions again. Some people don't deserve 2nd chances.

Wow, thegreatwall is such a huge idiot. Theres really nothing else to say. I'm glad everyone got paid back and I would absolutely NEVER invest in him after reading this thread.

Way to go.

starting to think jesse vilchez was actually smarter in that he posted less in his own defense likely knowing he would reveal he was a complete idiot like OP.

nobody should ever invest in this guy ever again. probably would be hard to do once he's banned tho.

What are his FTP/Stars/UB/any other names.

Can the bolded names above confirm they've been paid?

And I assume this list is complete...IE no one left off the list that is owed money?

Bloody hell, what a massive farce!