Rob131986 Chicago Poker Classic CPC 2013 MAIN EVENT NO MU - Page 5 - Selling Shares

No center crease on the fake receipt had me skeptical - as probably 90% of people instantly fold their receipt to put it into their pocket, but I was going to wait to see how it unfolded.

Bummer for all involved.

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03-05-2013 , 03:26 PM

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Cinarocket

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I still wonder if i'll ever be dumb enough to choose seat #10 when photoshopping a fake receipt.

Spoiler:

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03-05-2013 , 03:29 PM

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JackOfSpeed

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Originally Posted by tdomeski

Bummer for all involved.

Cliffs, basically. OP's reputation is ruined, buyers in MP will be ever more skeptical/paranoid in the future, and sellers will have a harder time selling.

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03-05-2013 , 03:33 PM

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jimbobwe00

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best thing we can do is get this over with quickly and post as infrequently as possible to get this thing bumped down and not at the top of the MP for days on end for everybody new to the MP to judge us on. things like this really hurt the rep of the MP and make it difficult for the people who really mean well and are honest to achieve what they want to achieve, and the less attention we draw to this the better.

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03-05-2013 , 03:34 PM

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willaramirez

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Wow.

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03-05-2013 , 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by GrimeRat420

Also, one red flag is the references he uses. I havent asked them personally but its likely that jamers/dipthrong/taypaur were never asked to be used as references for this. I personally think this is long overdue, but ill be pm'ing mods to hopefully implement a new policy in the mp that requires sellers to post pic of receipt+stack upon sitting down. This would greatly minimize he trust factor involved in buying pieces imo. Thoughts?

receipt alone clearly isnt enough as someone could register, snap a photo, unreg and get buyin back. receipt+stack would be better, but i could still see issues with someone possibly playing one event in a series, snapping a photo of that event but not another.

tourney directors posting registered player lists is the most surefire method. it would have the downside of someone being able to create a database of every tourney every player enters and people having public records on wins/losses, but at least things like this wouldnt happen as often.

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03-05-2013 , 03:37 PM

#108

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Originally Posted by tdomeski

Reminded me of this scene in Catch Me If You Can:

Frank Abagnale, Jr.: [whispering to Joanna] Hey... You should fold it.
Joanna: What?
Frank Abagnale, Jr.: That note. It's a fake, right? You should fold it.
Joanna: It's... It's a note from my mom. I have a doctor's appointment.
Frank Abagnale, Jr.: Yeah, but there's no crease in the paper. When your mom hands you a note to miss school, the first thing you do is, you fold it and you put it in your pocket. I mean, if it's real, where's the crease?
[Joanna folds note to give it a crease]

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03-05-2013 , 03:51 PM

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buckyb88

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Heh, thought of CMIYC also. Great scene.

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03-05-2013 , 03:55 PM

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03-05-2013 , 04:01 PM

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Would assume all the references in the OP had no clue their names were used.

****ty situation.

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03-05-2013 , 04:23 PM

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actually ive talked to jamers/mark in the past and they have confirmed backing rob. that part probably wasn't a lie.

I invested in rob once before as well and he cancelled the package before it started and sent me a refund. Sucks this didn't happen again.

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03-05-2013 , 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by phoox

Why is he still marketplace approved mods?

Probably because the confession came less than 2 hours before this post, and no one had reported it until you did?

Thanks for the post report, though - that's the way to go with any thread you see that needs mod attention, as we don't see every post or thread.

Last edited by Bobo Fett; 03-05-2013 at 04:40 PM. Reason: Messed up the time.

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03-05-2013 , 04:35 PM

#114

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(facepalm)

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03-05-2013 , 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Daut44

Receipt + Stack with 2+2/Twitter username written on it seems like the best idea.

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03-05-2013 , 05:01 PM

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time for a thread title change?

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03-05-2013 , 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by rob131986

I honestly have no idea why mine is different. When I signed up I waited some time before I got my receipt and she had to get another member at reg and they went through it 2 or 3 times before I actually got the receipt. I didnt think anything of this whole ordeal until this morning when I got a PM and it could have bbeen the reason. As I said this same issue happened to me last Oct. for wsopc main.

Should we look into this, or moreover, is this there anything else that needs to be said before we look into this?

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03-05-2013 , 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by AndyM2033

Receipt + Stack with 2+2/Twitter username written on it seems like the best idea.

This. U sit down for event 1 of a series and tweet "starting the $1k 20k ss", attach a pic of receipt with visible details along with stack and repeat for all other events of the series. I actually did this for every event this last summer for my wsop package altho nobody asked me to, to try to set a precedent but unfortunately it didnt catch on. Its not that hard to do and not too much to ask for imo. For people who buy a lot of smaller pieces its a pain in the ass going through registration lists for all horses to confirm participation, this is would be much easier.

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03-05-2013 , 05:36 PM

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I don't fold my receipts cuz they fit in my pockets as is.

****ty situation. Read thread and was hoping this wasn't the outcome

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03-05-2013 , 05:44 PM

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Think we need to do something about references too. Its too easy for someone to just post some names that they had done business with in the past whether it was just a small xfer or trade. These references can be very misleading and it seems half the time people listed as references aren't even aware their name is being used. As I would assume this was the case for all of robs packages including this one. Or maybe it is our fault as investors by not contacting these references to make sure its legit.

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03-05-2013 , 05:55 PM

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@mcc as isuxatpokerbad wrote a few posts above apparently dip/jamers did used to back rob so in this case doesnt seem like the reference system wasnt abused.

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03-05-2013 , 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by GrimeRat420

@mcc as isuxatpokerbad wrote a few posts above apparently dip/jamers did used to back rob so in this case doesnt seem like the reference system wasnt abused.

References are there so you can contact them. If you're unsure about investing in someone you contact the references to confirm trustworthiness.

It's standard practice to give them a heads up that they are being used as a reference and make sure they're ok with being mentioned. Zima may still have been correct that the references didn't know their names were being used.

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03-05-2013 , 06:09 PM

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rob131986

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All of the people mentioned in my references I was backed by or had numerous large transfers with. But it was when online poker was around 2 years ago here.

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03-05-2013 , 06:09 PM

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mcc3504

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Ahh i had missed that above post somehow, guess this was what caught my attention most.

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Originally Posted by rob131986

All the references itt were people that I dealt with years ago and have no bearing on what I am doing now. The names up there were essentially just big names to show that I have dealt with them in the past.

But ya receipt and pic of stack should be ideal. Obv a small hassle for those honest people out there but it probably should be mandatory nowadays.