Yeh, I can't see anything going wrong here at all.

FossilMan,

Can you give an update as to how your 2013 staking deal went? I know you solicited many people at the start of 2013 via email with exactly the same proposition, can you list any of your investors from that package as references so people can ask how the communication and updates went? Or perhaps post the "monthly trip report" emails from the 2013 package? This would help people who are on the fence, seeing the monthly reports and diligent records of MTT's and cash games that were included in your 2013 package. It will quell some of the trust issues people may have with this type of package. Also, maybe one of the 18 investors that backed you when you won the Main Event could post on here to tell how they were paid out and communicated with etc.

Greg, interested and have been a member since 2007 but hardly use it and cannot PM. Sent you a message from your website. Rather not broadcast my email address @GoTTTTTa on twitter if you prefer?

Obviously this whole thread reeks of something foul but I had to check the twitter account anyway. This twitter account has 3 followers, clearly is a bot from it's tweets, and then all of the sudden is retweeting Raymer and sending a tweet at him. I screencapped just in case it magically gets taken down.



Greg may very well have nothing to do with this, but until he releases a statement...

No, sorry, you're wrong.

madcuzpresto

At least my accounts are real..... No, I don't use twitter either nor do I want to publish my email address for all to spam....

Hi Greg, nice pitch.

Why would a former patent attorney ever think to present a contract and sign it?

Interesting that everyone this user follows is related to poker and their only tweets relate to Greg...seems strange somehow

That's very observant for someone on a poker forum.....

Fossilman, any update you can give on the 2013 package you put together through mass email?

Are you sure he did the exact same thing for 2013???? Why would he not mention that in his intro??? He has made it seem like he just came up with this because of the pressure from his wife.

This thread/package is kind of depressing, a little sad, really humiliating, but honestly, rather amusing. If you consider no one with any rep or more than +10 posts has shown any interest and that at least three posters ITT are Raymer or Raymer shills. This is a WSOP World Champion!
Not really how it works Greg. You can create a Whole Package of 20, heck go for 40 events. "Go through the process once, and just lump it all together" Put every event you may possibly play in a package, put some markup on it, if it's a good deal, you'll certainly get investors on this forum. If it's not, you'll certainly be ridiculed. Either way, you only do a One Time refund (at the end of the package, same as payouts) from the unused portions of the package.

Considering you've cashed in ONE WSOP event in TWO years! You played how many the last two summers, 50?!?! I doubt the "I'm still in #24, so can't play #27, and now I gotta refund everyone from #27" problem, is really going to be an issue. If it becomes one, that's a "good problem" and no investor is going to mind you still being in a day 3 or day 4.

Im not fully aware of standard 2+2 Mkt protocol, but I find most of the posts itt ridiculous. Its very simple, if you find value here or simply choose to invest...go for it. If not, move along. I really dnt understand how this has become a Raymer bashing and it shldnt be allowed IMO. Hes been a member in good standing for over a decade and hes pretty respected in the poker community in general. I mean....we all make mistakes right? Im rather grateful my life hasnt been lived under a microscope fir a decade.

Cliffs:

-mkt place prlly not the correct place to bash a member in good standing mkt place ad...IMO!
-The guy shipped TWO MILLION to previous investors...some longstanding 2+2 members. (if I had to guess)
-TWO MILLION!

Greg...I wish you the best. Youve always been a class act and great to be around. Happy to call you a friend.

*no idea of the math/value or lack there of in this pkg. But I do know a big part of investing is avoiding spots where ya dont get paid on investment in the event of a score...and that wldnt be a concern fir me here.

Tryba

^^

This. This thread is for staking. If you don't like the terms, don't invest.

Yes, I am sure if it, I have the email he sent out to everyone, or at least many, on his contacts list. It was exactly the same thing with the minor deviation that it included a list of 2013 WSOP events color coded to indicate which events he was definitely playing and which events he might play. Just thought I'd mention it so people can ask how it went last year in terms of the monthly reports, payouts etc. before investing, especially since it was kind of an odd email to get from someone I don't know at all and asking that I respond to him even if to say no. Just a little strange IMO. I want to make sure people have as much info as possible before investing in this atypical package.

If your referring to me sir, I'm not bashing, just stating facts.

He was asked to provide One of the investors that was paid out a portion of the Two Milly, to step forward and comment on this past, similar deal. If it's someone who is this community, I'm sure Everyone would like to hear about these monthly reports, and if they were satisfied with their investment.

Not thinking of providing legal documentation, on a year long staking deal, where a majority of the action can't be tracked, and the OP is a former patent attorney, Should DEF be talked about, IMO.

Bringing up past WSOP performances, when the OP tries to give a lame excuse of why he's "above" doing a classic marketplace package, is just putting Actual Stats forward, to demonstrate why the OP's response is silly, again, IMO.

However, I do agree Tryba, if your not investing then move along. On the other hand, you don't think if someone post a seemingly shady deal, and what looks like shills, are logging in to say they are interested, THIS shouldn't be further scrutinized?

Will you be investing in the package Chris? If not, then your post can also be classified as a troll post, but since your defending the OP, and YOU are a valued member of the Marketplace, I guess it's thread worthy.

GL at Borgata Main Tryba, thanks for stopping by and sharing YOUR view on this package. All potential investors should feel much better about investing now, and I'm sure this package will sell out immediately.

You are incorrect. He was asked to post info on a similiar pkg he offered in 2013, (which never ran as far as I kno) NOT his bracelet year pkg. Altho, pretty sure its safe to assume all investors were paid...as there was zero **** storm.
Regardless if this pkg is "unconventional" or not....whatever that even means, it shldnt open the door to personal attacks or ridiculousness as seen itt. Again...invest or not. As to "shadiness" concerns...IMO there are better ways of handlin it then cluttering up a mans business thread...maybe contacting a mod with said concerns. Just a thought.
As to whether or not ill be investing...no idea how thats relevant. However, as i like tkn larger pieces in pkgs I personally wont be as if i were id want 10-20k worth of action, and i simply can not afford that. Would I if I could...id have go look more closely, as ive alrdy stated, "i dont know if this is/isnt a good value" But, I certainly wldnt have ANY trust issues....personally.

No, i wasnt referring to you at all...and no idea why youre being a dik, but yes...i felt it necessary to give MY OPINION how I feel it unfair to taint a persons mkt place thread with BS! Theres ways to ask for information WITHOUT being dooshebags. And as I consider Greg a friend, I felt it ok to express MY opinion. Sorry you feel differently.

First time for me. Great to be considered a shill.... Is it not okay to ask questions? Thanks for posting the picture of my child too btw. Yes, she is real also.

agree with indariva. Tilts me people troll on staking threads when they have nothing positive to add. If you have relevant information that will assist people in making better decisions then go ahead and post, if you just have speculations and opinions then this aint the place, imo.

Except this, this was pretty funny

Except this, this was pretty funny [/QUOTE]

That was pretty funny.

[QUOTE=JT314pokerplaya;41832098]This thread/package is kind of depressing, a little sad, really humiliating, but honestly, rather amusing. If you consider no one with any rep or more than +10 posts has shown any interest and that at least three posters ITT are Raymer or Raymer shills. This is a WSOP World Champion!


More so here just to make sure if it's a scr....
Wait NVM don't want my acct banned already

and aww thanks guys

Thanks buddy, the honor is mine.

Cheers, Greg Raymer (FossilMan)

I have posted the information I wish to post. If you are seriously interested in investing, and have further questions, please send me a PM with your email address, and we can communicate. If you do not have PM privileges, please go to my website and provide me with your contact info there (www.FossilManPoker.com/contact.htm).

Thanks, Greg Raymer (FossilMan)

Would you say these same things if it was a random person you didn't have admiration for trying to sell such a large and complex package? Pretty sure people have the right to ask questions which are relevant to this potential staking arrangement...sure, personal attacks on the original poster should not be made and that would be unacceptable...nevertheless, it seems like a number of people - including some long-standing and respected members of this site - have raised concerns and asked for some things to be cleared up - and from what I have seen, Greg has not gone out of his way to alleviate these concerns and seemed rather blaze about certain things.

Surely it can only be in the best interests of people within this community - especially those who may be considering investing - if some of its experienced members ask important questions. And those questions should not receive trivial answers - especially when a person is seeking $100,000 worth of investment.

And for what it's worth, I have met Greg in person and he seemed very personable and pleasant.