Last few starting when?
You don't see anything wrong with this?

Well he doesn't have any of his own money, so seems like going out partying with investor money was exactly what he was doing.

Paid in time was a week ago, you guys are tight, why not pay back his debt(not that large of an amount) and then have him pay you back as part of your staking deal. You did vouch for him before and after the stealing so you clearly believe in him.

I totally missed this part of Arthur's post. Impressive.

guys can we get back to what's important? specifically the 45o utg raise

lol then where did all the money go??

This is a masterfully conceived play that can't go wrong. Aside from hitting the concealed trip 5s or trip 4s, this is also a great opportunity to rep an ace. Anytime an Ace flops we are going to bet strong. If the villains don't have a very strong piece of the board then they have to fold and we take down the pot...weeeeeeeeee.

However, if they do have an ace that is EVEN BETTER because we ALWAYS HAVE OUTS. If we hit our runner runner straight our opponent can't fold to our shove because our bet sizing will not make any sense. When we flip over 45off our opponents will even tell us: "How can you ever have that hand you idiot" and that's when we jump up and get real animated and point at everyone at the table and say: "I can play any 2 cards bitches!!!" From there we proceed right to the table games to feed are ever-growing hunger for gambling immortality.

Is this in any strategy book?! If not, you should consider publishing ASAP!! +1

exactly, if the board comes KKK for example we can easily rep a king and now our opponents have to fold AA due to the overquads

Even in that *doomsday scenario* we have runner runner outs to chop with AA so we should be more than comfortable putting the money in the middle here. If we lose the hand it's no big deal because all we have to do is go play pit games and keep doubling our bet until we make our money back.

Pretty bad form for ARMorris to call out people for gettin upset over "only 1%" which is $571. And like everyone has stated there has been numerous people come in here and say blah blah hes a good guy no worries you'll get your money back, well if he is all that then plz pay back investors and have him owe you the money.

I don't wanna get into a pissing match, but saying "pay us back and he can owe you" doesn't make any sense. I'm trying to give you some reassurance in your time of need that he's gonna do the right thing. I'm not rich and don't have money to shell out to strangers on the internet when I have children at home I'm responsible for.

At this point, I would just like to see Drew come into this thread and provide a realistic time frame for when repayment can be expected to begin. "I'm getting backed when I go home" doesn't really provide much reassurance, although I am glad he's going to have some part-time work with his mother. If I'm going to be forced to hand out a 0 interest loan, it'd be nice to know when I can expect to be paid back in full and what compensation to expect if the deadline is missed.

I know, it's only a measly $406 I'm owed.

played a lot of ofc with drew the first week of the series. real sad to say the least. i kind of thought it was a little strange someone who solid off a bunch of action was playing $25 a point OFC but not really my place. gl to investors

on one of my last night's in vegas for the first week of the series i played ofc until 6am with someone who sold action on here. i heard him ask his buddy if he should pop an addy and play the event or skip it. its so hard to know what grade game someone will play day in and day out over 7 weeks in LV

This offering of assurance by his friends is ridiculous. You either vouch for (meaning take financial responsible in the event the person screws up) or you keep your mouth shut. Search my posts to see where I am on this.

This thread is not the op's eulogy telling everyone how great of a person he is and what his intentions were. He scammed investors for 25k and now has some serious work to do to pay it back. Everyone coming in saying he'll do his best to make this right and he'll do so is out of line. 25k is not easy to come by.

You're risking your credibility by posting in here and those that are should be temp-banned or banned from MP if the op doesn't make good in reasonable time. Shouldn't be able to freeroll this assurance nonsense without any consequence.

I am one of the larger % holders and do not believe I have bias over anyone who invested in this package. First off, I am friends with Drew and Arthur but I will be completely objective in this post hopefully. I learned of the situation after I reviewed Drew's spreadsheet and noticed a bunch of refunds and brought it up, this is when he came clean to me that he didn't have enough funds to play anymore events. I have spoken to him on several occasions since and he is very remorseful for his actions not that this makes up for any of it. A few questions I believe should be addressed in public are......

1. Where did the $ go and when did you realize you were using investors $ for your financial gain? The reason I ask this is because it was not a small amount, your spreadsheet shows u owe 40,610 but you weren't able to play any of the late $1500's.

2. You have mentioned in a timely manner, what exactly is this? A timely manner is different for all parties involved, I believe everybody would like to know what your opinion is of "a timely manner"

3. What, if anything are your planning to do for the investors that have $ tied up after you pay them back the original amount owed from refunds/cashes? I know I have mentioned to you a couple of options that I think would go over well for you them being to refund all mark-up on events played and/or giving a rebate to investors for tying up $ that could be invested elsewhere. I do believe these options need to be looked into after the original amounts are paid back.

As far as for Arthur he may not have been the best mentor for Drew during the series but he is doing everything in his power to help Drew make the right decisions and bail him out of this situation without over leveraging himself in the matter. He was not aware of what was going on with the investor's $ while it was happening until it was too late and should not be held accountable for Drew's actions. He understands whether you have .5% or 25% it is all relevant and each case should be handled in that matter.

With this being said I do believe we will all be paid back in full. However I do not believe it will be in what many of the investors believe to be a timely manner. We all have 1 goal as of now and that is to get the money distributed to whom it belongs to ASAP. I would like to see Drew answer all questions in this thread moving forward until everything is resolved with all investors.

Well said, Justin. And with that, I'll go back on watching and not posting in this thread (since I can't post w/out paying out others for Drew, apparently..) GL everyone..

Good post Gardy

All empirical evidence indicates it is unlikely Drew will pay people back in the near future. You think you are reassuring people, but you are just patronizing debtees, while defending your degenerate friend.

Appreciate your post Gardy. Personally I value the answers to the 3 questions you discussed in the order you presented them.

For the record: I agree with most everything both Bronson and Gardy have said. I'm not trying to make the claim that people with 5% have more right than people with .5% to be upset. That's not the message I'm trying to get across; clearly anyone who has invested and lost money has the right to be concerned. I was by no means aware of the situation until it was far too late. Clearly mistakes were made - the main point I was trying to get across is that Drew is working to pay back everyone. I think I'm a person of high character, but surely I will be judged negatively as I've coached Drew for 2 years now. I'm a cash game coach/player. I've tried to help him build packages and guide him along the way - but in no way would I have ever told him to take investor’s money for cash game funds. I'd like to think I am a good mentor and have done everything in my power to help him and all my friends - but otherwise I largely agree with gardy's statements, and definitely Brunsons - tho. I will no longer be posting in this thread - i just think its unfair that I've received so many negative responses to something I had nothing to do with. I too lost money.

Thanks Gardy

OK, i just got back from the drive home from Vegas. I'm off to a wedding tomorrow so might not be able to respond quickly theses next few days.

To answer Gardyone's questions....

1. Basically I played large ofc at the beginning of the summer with my roll. After a few shots went bad, I started to play smaller. Even when I was playing 25/pt at the Rio, i sold action and was playing smaller. Once I realized I was using investors money to play, I quit playing ofc. For that point on, I moved down in stakes to play 2/5 to books some wins, and I was just losing at that also. It was about the point 2-3 weeks left in the series I just quit and saved the rest of the money I had.

2. As far as refunds in a timely manner, It all varies on my backing agreement. We have settle up points after I reach an amount, and the majority of the money I win from this agreement will go towards paying everyone back. The rest of the money will go towards living cost so I can continue to play and get everyone paid back.

Arthur, was a ton of help this summer. He had nothing to do with "mentoring" me or anything. I made my own decisions all summer. They weren't all the correct ones. But he had zero influence of the decisions I made. By the time I came to him for help, it was too late to get help as I had already owed him some money. He helped me the most he could of given his resources.

I'm sorry I didn't inform all the 1% pieces and some of the guys on 2p2. I have tons of stress going on as well as a good friend of mine dying near the end of the summer. I informed all the large investors first weeks ago, and sorry I didn't tell everyone sooner.

Would really appreciate another post from Drew with a full explanation (or a PM, I never got one). I understand guilt and the temptation of degenning but I'm an American 9-5er who just throws a little money into the wsop more to stay connected to the poker world for a month a year than for financial gain that didn't really even get the sweat I was hoping for in the package. I'd like to know when I'm getting my money back and why specifically it wasn't put in to the package in the first place.

There should at this point be receipts posted showing what events he played, at the very least. It's also not wrong of investors to ask for that money back too at this point.

Arthur shouldn't be blame for Drew's action