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05-22-2010 , 08:52 PM
i loled
05-22-2010 , 10:43 PM
05-23-2010 , 12:31 AM
ill take 70% is cold hard cash ok?
05-23-2010 , 12:54 AM
What is your background in plhe tournaments and how do you keep your game so fresh?
05-23-2010 , 01:52 AM
There are many people who have way more success than you, and would be hard pressed to sell at any markup for this event. I could never justify playing this event for it's value. This seems to be one of those events to play if you're on a bracelet hunt.
05-23-2010 , 02:00 AM
I also love how you specifically list only one live major cash, the rest aren't very specific or should have very little bearing on whether you're plus ev in a tough 10k
05-23-2010 , 02:03 AM
pot limit pro tho.
05-23-2010 , 02:04 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tourbound68

I am offering:


The tournament listed above @

$10,000 *.10= $12,500/ 100=

$110= 1%
$550 = 5%

Changing my amount to sell to 80-85% for BR reasons..

Shouldn't the bolded be changed from $12,500 to $11,000 Mike?

Just for clarity.
05-23-2010 , 02:20 AM
somehow resisted posting in this thread so far cause I dont wanna be a troll, but I'll be civil

I don't understand how you can say that someone pm'd you and told you "Max MU for this event should be 10%, but more realistically 0-5%" and decide that you are justified in selling for 10%. It just really looks like your thought process was 'ok this guy told me I'm probably barely +EV if +EV at all in this field but if I dont sell for markup then I wont be able to freeroll (or nearly freeroll) it so I'm gonna mark it up more and hope people buy it'

this thread just seems like the epitome of what people are talking about as scam-like when people are charging what they know is too much markup because they want to freeroll something by taking advantage of uneducated investors

also just to reiterate, your comments about pot limit holdem make 0 sense and would make me not want to buy a piece of you in a $1500 PLH tourney at no markup
05-23-2010 , 02:25 AM
quick, delete this thread before mement reads it and has an aneurysm
05-23-2010 , 02:26 AM
No one is going to buy any action in this after all the posts ITT, you might as well just close this thread and try to sell with 0 markup.
05-23-2010 , 02:27 AM
yeah tbh i'm kind of upset at myself for buying a piece of one of his other packages after seeing this thread
05-23-2010 , 02:35 AM
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Originally Posted by rdrr
quick, delete this thread before mement reads it and has an aneurysm
linked it to him this morning and he didn't even care!
05-23-2010 , 02:44 AM
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Originally Posted by George Lind III
yeah tbh i'm kind of upset at myself for buying a piece of one of his other packages after seeing this thread
didnt really wanna say it, but definitely had the same feeling.
05-23-2010 , 03:33 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by George Lind III
yeah tbh i'm kind of upset at myself for buying a piece of one of his other packages after seeing this thread
Quote:
Originally Posted by pocktdeuces
didnt really wanna say it, but definitely had the same feeling.
If I have offended you all for putting this tournament up I am truly sorry. I in no way shape or form, meant to offend you or anyone else of 2+2... I am a confident player, I feel I can play with anyone.. I am always learning and growing as a player and person... I bring that confidence and work ethic every day I play.. This is the reason you two invested in me, and these are the reasons, I will try my best to make it a worthwhile investment.
05-23-2010 , 03:35 AM
Ya, I gotta say I am not a big fan of discouraging potential investors but jeez this thread is so LOL.

I mean could even Phil Ivey get away with trying this at 25 percent markup and selling 70 percent?
05-23-2010 , 03:37 AM
i'd buy.
05-23-2010 , 03:48 AM
tour, it has nothing to do with offending anyone, it just makes you look like an unrealilstic person when it comes to your expectations in these tourneys.

Last edited by George Lind III; 05-23-2010 at 03:49 AM. Reason: and your explanations about comparing plhe to nlhe/lhe don't make any sense at all
05-23-2010 , 04:08 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by NHFunkii
somehow resisted posting in this thread so far cause I dont wanna be a troll, but I'll be civil

I don't understand how you can say that someone pm'd you and told you "Max MU for this event should be 10%, but more realistically 0-5%" and decide that you are justified in selling for 10%. It just really looks like your thought process was 'ok this guy told me I'm probably barely +EV if +EV at all in this field but if I dont sell for markup then I wont be able to freeroll (or nearly freeroll) it so I'm gonna mark it up more and hope people buy it'

this thread just seems like the epitome of what people are talking about as scam-like when people are charging what they know is too much markup because they want to freeroll something by taking advantage of uneducated investors

also just to reiterate, your comments about pot limit holdem make 0 sense and would make me not want to buy a piece of you in a $1500 PLH tourney at no markup
1. If you look at my other packages, I don't think i tried to "scam" anyone.. In fact, my MU is lower than several people in the marketplace. If i was some bad person who was trying to angle and take advantage, don't you think I would have done it in the other threads? What about the other 40 packages that I have sold here in the Marketplace? If I was this scummy person, I wouldn't still be around... People itt, are taking my OP WAY WAY wrong. I was mis-informed and everyone is trying to hang me for it. It was an honest mistake...

2. The reason I changed it to 10% MU after said person said 10% was max, he didn't pose it as 10% being max for anyone, I believe he said it in a way that My MU should be 10% max but more realistically 0-5%. I am confidant in my game and went with what I assumed he said was the max I should charge. This again, is an honest mistake, if people who have invested in me and trusted me with their $ feel this is way off. Learning experience for me..

3. Can you explain exactly how my explanation of plh made 0 sense?

I mean, fundamentally plh is a game that is played tighter than NL, and this is due to the lack of ante's..(obv) You have less of a need to mix it up. PLH allows you to control the pot, and see more streets... You can try and small ball in NL, but your opponent can always price you out... in plh this is taken away.. So, I just stick to my tag line, but slightly tighter than NL and use my post flop skill to get my opponent to make a mistake.
05-23-2010 , 04:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Tourbound68
1. If you look at my other packages, I don't think i tried to "scam" anyone.. In fact, my MU is lower than several people in the marketplace. If i was some bad person who was trying to angle and take advantage, don't you think I would have done it in the other threads? What about the other 40 packages that I have sold here in the Marketplace? If I was this scummy person, I wouldn't still be around... People itt, are taking my OP WAY WAY wrong. I was mis-informed and everyone is trying to hang me for it. It was an honest mistake...

2. The reason I changed it to 10% MU after said person said 10% was max, he didn't pose it as 10% being max for anyone, I believe he said it in a way that My MU should be 10% max but more realistically 0-5%. I am confidant in my game and went with what I assumed he said was the max I should charge. This again, is an honest mistake, if people who have invested in me and trusted me with their $ feel this is way off. Learning experience for me..

3. Can you explain exactly how my explanation of plh made 0 sense?

I mean, fundamentally plh is a game that is played tighter than NL, and this is due to the lack of ante's..(obv) You have less of a need to mix it up. PLH allows you to control the pot, and see more streets... You can try and small ball in NL, but your opponent can always price you out... in plh this is taken away.. So, I just stick to my tag line, but slightly tighter than NL and use my post flop skill to get my opponent to make a mistake.
05-23-2010 , 04:22 AM
So tour? You are pretty much guaranteeing a final table? That is what your original markup justifies imo.
05-23-2010 , 04:24 AM
lolthread is lol
05-23-2010 , 04:25 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tourbound68
Nope, not joking... JP


PLH is about (imo) controlling the pot size and extracting value from your hands and pushing small edges on your draws. In this type of medium as in limit, I am allowed to see more streets and evaluate hands better when I am allowed to control the pot, or blot the pot with a strong hand/draw. The end game of PLH is more about stealing blinds and picking good three bet spots, which I feel I am more than adequate at considering all the tourneys I play online. The non ante factor of PLH also plays into my favor as well, because depending on table dynamics you can pick your spots better and not have the pressure of chips bleeding with antes.
Maybe this is what needs clarification? What I meant by this, is when we play NL... Depending on your style of play and your table dynamic, you use the 3-bet steal I would say fairly liberally (can't really quantify the amount of times one would three bet, but I would say stack size dependent, you would do it often) when we do this, we are picking up so much equity out of not only the original raisers bets, but also the blinds and ante's which is huge value. By doing this, we add to our stack etc. etc. Now, in PLH, we don't have the luxury of ante's and their added value, so from MY perspective, the value of 3 bet stealing goes down slightly (obviously player and table dynamic dependent) Yet, as the tourney goes on, we are still faced with the same problem of increasing blinds, SO, the nuance of PLH is picking the "right" spots to blind steal and 3-bet steal, along with the obv value steals and raises etc. This seems standard to me..

Also, about seeing more streets. I am fully aware, that in PLH, you can be playing against a strong player than your average, that POTs or 3/4 pots a ton of his range, in various spots, which then prices you out of some of your marginal situations..

Last edited by Tourbound68; 05-23-2010 at 04:31 AM.
05-23-2010 , 04:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Bikini Wax



: ) wp bikini
05-23-2010 , 04:36 AM
Closed at OP's request, and I think I'll just lock it as well; it seems that last post said it all.
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