^TY for the bold feature Alexos!

the following are all still either true statements which accurately describe my mindset, and i feel that they are important for my investors to understand about how i wish to conduct my business and how i will choose to select those who i conduct business with in the future. or they are questions which indicate that i wish investors to further communicate with me about because i require more information to completely transact the funds properly:


"would everyone be ok if i distributed funds of the post tip prize? i'd like to assume everyone is on board with this so i don't have to shoulder the full tip myself."

"it's not like it's a lot of money, and it's definitely good form / karma."

"if you want your full funds and pay no tip, that is ok and i will pay you your full share. but i will likely decline your investment in the future should i ever sell shares on twolustwo.marketplace again"

"before the tip, i guess it's a little more, but i hope i don't have to figure out those numbers"





i apologize if my tone was unacceptably cajoling. i was being quick about it because i had and still have a lot of other poker stuff going on, and was trying to get my thoughts across quickly so i could focus on my other pursuits.

i was trying to be professional and understanding before, but now i'm just pissed and offended. right now i feel like as soon as i get the $ in my account, i'll ship every ****ing cent to you guys paying the whole tip myself, and then i'll go downstairs and tip an extra 10K HKD out of my own pocket and never return to twoplustwo marketplace again asking for funds. might feel different when i'm sober, but seriously... this criticism of my actions is a complete surprise. i had no idea that i was doing something wrong.

money is in my account. sending asap to get this over with. new numbers:

$145127.

5% = $7256.36
3% = $4353.82

enjoy the extra cash guys.

1 transaction made. need to raise my limits to get the rest sent.

"right now i feel like as soon as i get the $ in my account, i'll ship every ****ing sent to you guys and i'll go downstairs and tip an extra 10K HKD out of my own pocket..."

Tipping the original 10k would have sufficed...

"and never return to twoplustwo marketplace again asking for funds."

Turn off the lights on your way out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QnWZwhxuNZQ

I'm sure your pals at stars will be accomodating.

waiting for them to reply to my email.

just send me the original amount (3% = $4313.82) plz i wanna get some good karma as advertised!

seriously!

I rarely show my face in the marketplace anymore but I couldn't help but come across this. Although I understand it should be stated in the OP full details of tipping etc, the fact that this thread has turned into an argument over literal peanuts is unbelievable.

It is VERY CLEAR that the socially accepted standard is winners of tournaments are to tip the dealers and tournament staff upon receiving their winnings. This is nothing new. If you don't think this is the social standard in your country or state, you're mistaken. Even taking away this aspect its the right thing to do. The same reason we tip in any given situation, to show our gratitude for the good service and treatment.

Being professionals in this industry its our job to set the standard and show the recreational players what the proper and stand-up thing to do is when you have a big score. If we didn't tip, why would anyone else? They will follow our lead. Without the hard work from dealers and directors nothing we do would be possible.

Aprilsfool made it very clear he would be willing to go back and renegotiate the numbers if people elected to have the tip removed from their share. If you feel uncomfortable outting yourself in this thread saying that you don't want your share to be included in the tip, then that should be your own moral wake-up call. The reason you don't feel comfortable is because you know its the right thing to do. If you don't, then like I said, he gave you the option to say so and have the money shipped no problem.

Pat, I tip my hat to your efforts in this thread and congratulations on the score. Hopefully people will realize that their $60 share goes a long ways in the lives of others and eventually wake up.

"I rarely show my face in the marketplace anymore " So glad you could drop by.

sober now and i think that the right thing to do is to send all of my investors their full share, but also indicate that i have tipped the staff and dealers out of my own pocket and i would appreciate it if my investors wanted to transfer back to me their share of the tip. it is not mandatory, but i would appreciate it.

pokerstars raised my limits, so i will get to transferring right away. they're still not high enough that i can transfer to everybody today unless i can get stars to raise them again, but i am starting the process.

Eh, I could definitely see his approach to the situation after the fact setting me off a bit had I been an investor.

He should have just posted pre-tip %'s and post-tip %'s and told the investors to PM an amount anywhere in that range while understanding that it would probably suck as the player to have to have the burden of the entire tip.

Live and learn.

I'm definitely happy for the tip to be deducted.

I will be refusing action from pofigistka in the future.

Pofigistka= Mr. Pink

Why is it every thread where the OP ships a big win the thread goes so horribly wrong. Congratulations Pat on a very nice win, and with your good sense of karma. I personally loved your drunk post.

lol, you guys are ridic.

if i was profig, i wouldnt invest in you anymore either wazz. taking over a month to pay out is beyond absurd.

hating on profigistka in this instance is ******ed.

With all due respect, this is none of your business.

I know you like a free rub down at other people's expense, but this is taking the...Michael.

hey pat please just deduct my tip before sending the money just to save me a little time and effort. tyvm, looking forward to doing business in the future.

i think that was my fault more than his because he asked and i acted as if i knew what i was doing when i recommended it was a good idea. and i still think it made you guys more money because he was in a better state to play the tourney.

at least now we know that it's not definitely cool to act with even small amounts of investors money without consulting them, even if it means that the result is less +EV for the tourney equity as a whole in our judgment.

The Wazz back rub and this are poles apart imo.

If there was a % withheld for tournament staff then you def shouldn't have tipped(don't think you have answered this yet). If not then I'm all for leaving a tip, especially given your glowing recommendation of the tournament staff.

Hating on pofigistka here is pretty ridiculous since standardized or expected tipping regardless of service is a huge joke, a custom that I hate every time I visit the U.S. and only helps justify the employers who pay these people peanuts. Pofigistka has a certain view that is not wrong even if Aprilsfool and Wazz take the moral high ground and deny him future pieces.


Anyway, if the service was as first rate as you claim then I am happy to contribute to the tip.

I'm GlenHelder on Stars btw.

P.S. ty wp

noname6520 was sent post tip winnings.

full funds were sent to everyone except noname6520. please feel free to send me the tip which i paid out of my pocket if you would like.

$65 if you were a 5% shareholder and $43 if you were a 3% shareholder. i might be off by a few pennies or dollars as i had to do a lot of math for this, so please let me know if you notice a mistake.

thanks very much for the investments, but i am glad to have all this behind me. maybe i was not of the right mindset to assume that i could force the investors to tip, but that is why i will hope to seek funds from investors who allow me this unilateral discretion in the future.... i was not happy with the treatment and accusations i received in this thread, and i am sorry that i was not able to live up to the moral expectations of several of my investors, but i hope that at least i lived up to your playing expectations.

pat, af

i don't care if any of you send me the funds to reimburse me for the tip and i don't intend to discuss publicly or privately what each investor chooses to do. i know that it was received and deserved by the staff, which is why i paid it.

Money recieved. Thanks and best of luck in the future.

Fwiw i think in the end here you did it the right way, investors should be informed that you made a tip, then given the full amount, then i think youll find most of them send back the tip amount. Its nice to have the option, if it was me, i wouldntve tipped (not part of NZ culture to tip) but i can understand why you did and am happy to support it given the option.

fwiw, i feel personally insulted by some of the reactions made to my expecting my investors to contribute toward the tip with me. in the future, i will try to avoid selling shares on this twoplustwo marketplace in order to prevent this conflict of interest.

not sure if that was directed at me... hope not.