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05-16-2021 , 06:56 PM
124 runners paying 13 spots 17 remaining.

Blinds are 5k/10k/10k. Avg stack is ~260,000 or 26bb

I have about 400,000 so roughly 40bb

Hero is button with two black ladies QcQs

UTG ~30bb opens to 2.5bb
UTG +1 ~20bb calls
Folds to me on button and before I can act SB ~40bb says "All-in", floors is called over and ruling is standard, I can fold, I can call and his all-in is binding or I can raise and change action and SB then has all options..

I'm curious to hear what action people would take...

Thanks in advance for your thoughts and rationale..
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05-16-2021 , 08:17 PM
That's a gross spot. He seems a little anxious to get it in (duh), but I have no idea what to do here. I too am curious...
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05-16-2021 , 10:43 PM
Sick. Guess I fold.
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05-16-2021 , 11:31 PM
Crazy situation. Just think how strong you look if you don’t change the action and call the 2,5 bb. Or how insane you are to min raise and change the action to see what sb does now.
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05-17-2021 , 12:07 AM
Call, force the jam, and call the jam.
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05-17-2021 , 01:04 PM
Assuming you would have raised before the out of action all in, then you are almost certainly calling it off if SB subsequently went all in. Further from the bubble, this is a no brainer to only call to achieve the AI. Here you get to decide how much the bubble and min-cash mean to you and either call or fold.

I'm calling because if V rolls over J-J or A-Q or ANYTHING except AA/KK/AK then I'd be a bit miffed. Spike a Q in the door & E-Z game.
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05-17-2021 , 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by persianpunisher
Call, force the jam, and call the jam.
Beachman42 I appreciate your thinking, I'm aiming to win or at least top 3.

Persian punisher, does your thinking change at all if UTG jams as well after you call and SB is forced to keep his declared all-in?

FYI, The SB was a rec player from Nor Cal who I had chatted with a bit. He had just doubled to 40bb two hands earlier when he two outed someone.

My thinking was he had AK and possibly the UTG or UTG +1 had a big Ace as well.

Before SB acted out of turn, plan was to raise to 8.5bb off my 40bb into a pot of 7.5bb. I planned to call off if UTG or UTG +1 jammed.
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05-17-2021 , 04:17 PM
At a tough table, I would consider call/call. I might decide to fold and maximize my chances of cashing if I don't think I am playing well.

At a weak table where I can steal a lot of pots, I would be more inclined to fold.
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05-18-2021 , 05:49 AM
Sick spot ! I miss live play so much ! These funny things can't happen on the internet

My action here would really depend on my reads on other players involved in the hand. Given the info you provided, I would probably call/call if the other players involved in the hand fold. If one or two other opponents come along, I would fold and wait for other more profitable spots, especially if the table is soft. Plus with your stack you can calmly control the rest of your tournament.

I'm really curious to read what you actually did ?
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05-18-2021 , 09:54 AM
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Originally Posted by DuckU
Beachman42 I appreciate your thinking, I'm aiming to win or at least top 3.

Persian punisher, does your thinking change at all if UTG jams as well after you call and SB is forced to keep his declared all-in?
It does not affect my first action at all. I am always flatting to keep the jam in play. 3-betting or folding make absolutely no sense to me.

If SB jams and UTG or UTG+1 re-jams then we are definitely in a tricky spot where we can probably find a fold.
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05-18-2021 , 08:36 PM
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Originally Posted by persianpunisher
Call, force the jam, and call the jam.
+1 to this. When villian has kk/aa, AK.... you can just chalk it up
To bad luck in a crucial spot. On 40bbs here, I don’t think you can fold this spot. I would call the 2.5 bbs and then consider fold maybe if first raiser calls and other calls or maybe something like that. Don’t think I’m folding QQ ever here though in tourny when avg stack is super short.

When you win the hand, you have very good chance to run over final portion of tournament with heaps.
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05-19-2021 , 09:50 AM
So, as several of you have suggested, I call the 2.5bb and the floor makes the SB out of turn all-in binding so they are committed.

I hear the SB say, "Oh **** this isn't going to be good." before the UTG even has a chance to act.

The UTG tank folds and UTG+1 insta folds. I of course call the jam, having him covered by 3bb.

I flip over the QQ and SB has 10-10. I was a bit surprised.

For those of you who are resulted oriented, like me lol, the flop is clean but the turn brings a 10! I wanted to puke on my shoes.

I bust-out two hands later when I run 88 into JJ.
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05-19-2021 , 10:03 AM
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Originally Posted by DuckU
So, as several of you have suggested, I call the 2.5bb and the floor makes the SB out of turn all-in binding so they are committed.

I hear the SB say, "Oh **** this isn't going to be good." before the UTG even has a chance to act.

The UTG tank folds and UTG+1 insta folds. I of course call the jam, having him covered by 3bb.

I flip over the QQ and SB has 10-10. I was a bit surprised.

For those of you who are resulted oriented, like me lol, the flop is clean but the turn brings a 10! I wanted to puke on my shoes.

I bust-out two hands later when I run 88 into JJ.
Not going to lie... that’s really gross but this is a spot you always have to take. If you win hand, you really can run over a final table potentially and put people into awkward icm spots with pure aggression. I might get bashed here but you can slightly disregard icm here when at top top of range. You make money from winning and top 3 finishes in tournaments. Min cashes are almost irrelevant to me unless you are super short on the bubble and min cashing is the irony
Thing you can expect. Ex: if you have 5-8bbs on the bubble, you are almost never winning the tournament or becoming a threat to do so. A min cash has a lot of value in this type of situation where someone has no threat of really making a run to win the tournament.

Btw the hand- utg prolly should min open. Opening to 2.5bb on 30bb to me seems fairly stupid. You can get the same information at 2.0 bb in comparison to 2.5. Sure you may see a few more bb defends but we need to win pots to build chips anyways and playing against a bb oop never seems bad to me. Also, utg+1 should not be calling 2.5bb on a 20bb stack unless maybe AA/KK and trying to induce a squeeze. Even that to me is a little questionable in a live tournament that is rec heavy where squeezes are not really done light.
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05-20-2021 , 08:59 AM
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Originally Posted by persianpunisher
Call, force the jam, and call the jam.
Not a gross spot; happy to call and then call the allin. SB isn't usually playing AA/KK that way and acting out of turn with them.
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05-20-2021 , 10:13 AM
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Originally Posted by deuceblocker
Not a gross spot; happy to call and then call the allin. SB isn't usually playing AA/KK that way and acting out of turn with them.
This is probably the right read, BUT, the OP said the guy was a rec who just doubled from 20 to 40BB, which definitely strengthens his range in my mind.
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